None Dare Call it Christian Terrorism

No. It is that being a Christian and a terrorist does not make your acts Christian Terrorism. Doing it for Christian religious reasons does.
And yet that is exactly why the KKK continues to be a Christian terrorist organization. Because they are doing it "for Christian religious reasons" just like other Christian terrorists.

This is why I think every single person who is even charged with a hate crime should have his religious beliefs spelled out for all to see. But we will likely never see that occur. It only happens every single time when they are Muslims. And many others want to ignore the elephant hiding in the closet.

All three Abrahamic religions continue to breed those who hate others of different religious beliefs. But ever since 9/11 in the US, only one of these groups are considered to be even important enough to fixate upon. This is despite Christian terrorists and those other than Muslims have killed vastly more Americans and Europeans and have engaged in far more terrorist acts.
 
And yet that is exactly why the KKK continues to be a Christian terrorist organization. Because they are doing it "for Christian religious reasons" just like other Christian terrorists.

This is why I think every single person who is even charged with a hate crime should have his religious beliefs spelled out for all to see. But we will likely never see that occur. It only happens every single time when they are Muslims. And many others want to ignore the elephant hiding in the closet. That all three Abrahamic religions continue to breed those who hate others of different religious beliefs.

To be fair, it's not just the Abrahamic religions that do this - they're just the most visible to those of us in the West. There is plenty of religious hatred bred by religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism. Have a look at the treatment of Muslim and Christian minorities in Sri Lanka in recent years for an example of the latter.
 
I completely agree. But we were discussing Abrahamic religions which all share the same basic tenets and ostensibly even the same god.

This is what I think infuriates many of the Islamophobic Christians and Jews so much over this issue. They simply refuse to use the same basis to examine their own fanatics who also commit terrorist acts due to their own religious beliefs. They try to blame the religion of Islam instead of blaming those who are clearly misusing their religion to commit atrocities against others, no matter the religion.
 
Back to that nonsensical strawman yet again? How often have you used a variation on that same inane gibberish in this forum now? If I were you I would be too embarrassed to continue to even mention that particular matter, much less try to use it as an obviously ludicrous "argument" whenever you personally disagree with my opinions.

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Why would I be embarrassed?

For any who missed it, here's the thread where Formy explains to a former reactor operator what operating nuclear reactors is really like, which he knows all about as demonstrated by having not one, but two linked videos. Then he goes on to explain to numerous military veterans what the military is really like, which he knows more about than they do since his dad was in the military. Anyone who isn't ignoring him already should take this into account. I would match his use of smileys for emphasis, but genuinely think that he is not funny. Nor do I need them as a credibility crutch.

Now, back at the subject at hand. Whether Wikipedia describes the KKK as a "Christian organization" or not, comparing them to al Qaeda still falls flat in reality. Al Qaeda actively uses a pretense of religion in their recruiting, in their propaganda, and in their operations. They, along with similar organizations, have brought the label "Islamic terrorist" upon Islam. True, it is absolutely unfair to Islam that this happened, and it is vastly overused, but it is explainable.

The KKK doesn't actively portray itself as a Christian organization. The symbols they use have political origins, not religious. They are, by their own propaganda, in a battle drawn along racial lines, not religious lines.

This thread is just Formy being Formy and trying to pick a fight, using an inflammatory title that inaccurately juxtaposes two things drawn from the long list of things that he apparently has no real world knowledge of.
 
I'm coming around to thinking it's extremely meta. Proving or disproving the greater point by providing an example of the bear trap mindset that causes so many of the base issues.
 
Why would I be embarrassed?
Because supposedly standing watch as an enlisted man obviously doesn't make you a "nuclear reactor operator", as you absurdly alleged. :lol:

Now, back at the subject at hand. Whether Wikipedia describes the KKK as a "Christian organization" or not, comparing them to al Qaeda still falls flat in reality.
At least you obviously backtracked at least to some extent from your previous inane post.

And I obviously never compared them to the al-Qaida so that is just yet another wacky strawman. :crazyeye:

Well, you sort of backtracked:

The KKK doesn't actively portray itself as a Christian organization.
What complete and utter nonsense.

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From page one of this thread:

From 1915 onward, Klansmen conducted cross-burnings not only to intimidate targets, but also to demonstrate their respect and reverence for Jesus Christ, and the ritual of lighting crosses was steeped in Christian symbolism, including prayer and singing hymns.

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The Klan aren't calling for a racial war anymore; they're calling for a racial and a religious war. In fact, they're calling for a Christian Jihad, nothing more, nothing less, and they claim their attacks on anti-whites and anti-Christians are sanctioned by God.

This thread is just Formy being Formy and trying to pick a fight, using an inflammatory title that inaccurately juxtaposes two things drawn from the long list of things that he apparently has no real world knowledge of.
Even more completely inane personal attacks with no actual basis in fact. Gee, what a surprise...
 
Because supposedly standing watch as an enlisted man obviously doesn't make you a "nuclear reactor operator", as you absurdly alleged. :lol:

I think most people would agree that it puts me a heck of a lot closer than watching a video in your basement puts you.
 
I think the personal opinions of those who agree with you in this matter are just as ludicrous as your own. :crazyeye:

And you have no idea how much actual experience I have in the nuclear field, which doesn't just include only being entrusted to read a few gauges and record their settings every hour. A job which is intentionally dumbed down to the point where virtually anybody in the military could do it.
 
I'm pretty sure that, as always, the truth is somewhere in the middle. Some of the Klan's motivations come from their interpretation of Christianity and some of them don't.

Unfortunately, that doesn't make for a very good argument now, does it :p
 
You mean they are really no different than any other group of fanatical terrorists who find weird rationalizations in ancient religious scriptures for their reprehensible acts.

But the motivations of this group and others are being largely intentionally ignored so as not to possibly offend many Americans, the majority of which are Christians. American Muslims aren't so lucky, so they continue to be the targets of even more Christian hate crimes since 9/11.
 
You mean they are really no different than any other group of fanatical terrorists who find weird rationalizations in ancient religious scriptures for their reprehensible acts.

But the motivations of this group and others are being intentionally ignored so as not to possibly offend many Americans, the majority of which are Christians.

They're no different from any other group of fanatical terrorists who find weird rationalisations in all sorts of different things, one of which happens to be religion, for their reprehensible acts.

Are the Christian aspects of their motivations being underplayed? Probably. But the way you're posting makes it seem like you think they're basing their entire ideology on Christianity, which is clearly untrue. It influences them, but so do a range of other factors.
 
But the way you're posting makes it seem like you think they're basing their entire ideology on Christianity, which is clearly untrue.
I stated nor insinuated anything of the sort. That is just so much utter nonsense. The Bible obviously states nothing in regard to white supremacy. To claim that is my opinion is downright silly. :crazyeye:

And again, the same is essentially true for any terrorist group that is identified as being based on religious beliefs.
 
I think the personal opinions of those who agree with you in this matter are just as ludicrous as your own. :crazyeye:

You have long since made clear that the only opinion that matters to you is your own. No news there. Guess what, the real world does not uniformly conform to your opinion.

And you have no idea how much actual experience I have in the nuclear field, which doesn't just include only being entrusted to read a few gauges and record their settings every hour.

So, now you are claiming that you chose the video as your source because...let's see...you didn't want anyone to mistakenly think you had genuine credibility. At a guess you just knew that any claim you might make would contradict your previously stated (and I am confident real) claims regarding your field of experience and expertise...but in the face of challenge you are now dropping to the "implied" credibility of "you don't know what I might know."
 
So you really have nothing to offer in this thread but even more inane personal attacks merely because I disagree with your personal opinions. Opinions in this particular case, and many others, which have no factual basis whatsoever. Opinions which even required you to completely ignore many facts contained in posts already made in this thread. Opinions which are even shared by many other forum members that you have not decided to nonsensically attack, as you have decided to do with a select few so many times in the past.
 
So you really have nothing to offer in this thread but even more inane personal attacks merely because I disagree with your personal opinions. Opinions in this particular case, and many others, which have no factual basis whatsoever, and which are even shared by many other forum members that you have not decided to nonsensically attack, as you have so many times in the past.

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They didn't start a thread with an inflammatory juxtaposition that has very flimsy connection to the subject of even the opening post just to pick a fight. You were looking for a fight, now you are whining because you found one but it's against me and I won't "play by the rules" and not bring up your previous demonstrations of total lack of credibility. Guess what, throwing away your credibility has consequences. Deal with it.
 
There is no "inflammatory juxtaposition" except in the minds of a handful of people. These very same opinions seem to be representative of the vast majority of the posters in this thread. Yet you have not engaged in this inane personal attack against anybody but me, at least in this particular thread.

And it is obviously not my "credibility" which is being utterly destroyed here by continuing to ignore the obvious facts. "Deal with it".
 
There is no "inflammatory juxtaposition" except in the minds of a handful of people. These very same opinions seem to be representative of the vast majority of the posters in this thread. Yet you have not engaged in this inane personal attack against anybody but me, at least in this particular thread.

And it is obviously not my "credibility" which is being utterly destroyed here by continuing to ignore the obvious facts. "Deal with it".


Which "obvious fact" is being ignored?

There is an obvious fact...in previous arguments you have used a link to a video to tell a former reactor operator that you know more about operating reactors than he does, and when called on it you discounted the people calling you on it based on your daddy having told you more about military life than they could possibly learn from direct experience. But the only person ignoring that fact is you.

There is the obvious fact that most people recognize the KKK as a politically motivated organization. While it is certainly unfair that other politically motivated organizations claim to have religion behind them that in no way justifies your attaching political organizations willy nilly to religions just because you are irreligious. But again the only person ignoring that fact is you.

By the way, discrediting your position is nothing personal. Another obvious fact that everyone but you is aware of...though I'm pretty sure you are only pretending you think it is so you can play the "personal attack" card to try to protect your credibility since there is no better defense available.
 
Only you haven't "discredited" anything but yourself once again by continuing to deliberately ignore the facts that directly contradict this comically inane rhetoric. Facts that I have even repeated that you continue to deliberately ignore. Your rhetoric is so patently absurd it is only being echoed by one reactionary Christian who feels offended that Christians can even be considered to be terrorists.

And once again, standing watch while doing the absurdly easy job of watching a few gauges and recording the readings every hour isn't being a "nuclear reactor operator" any more than Homer Simpson is.

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Another case of "Christian terrorism" that most people likely haven't heard a word about:

America Snores When Christian Terrorist Threatens to Massacre Muslims

An ordained minister pleaded guilty to threatening to burn down a New York town full of Muslims. Where's the FBI press conference and Fox News panic?

Have you heard about the Christian terrorist Robert Doggart, who was plotting a violent attack against a Muslim-American community in New York state? Probably not, because as opposed to when U.S. law enforcement officials arrest a Muslim for planning a violent assault, they didn’t send out a press release or hold a press conference publicizing Doggart’s arrest.

So let me tell you about Doggart and his deadly plan to use guns and even a machete to attack American Muslims in upstate New York. Doggart, a 63-year-old Tennessee resident, is an ordained Christian minister in the Christian National Church. In 2014, he unsuccessfully ran for Congress as an independent, espousing far right-wing views.

But don’t dismiss Doggart as some crazed wingnut howling at the moon. He served in the U.S. Naval Sea Cadet Corps, worked for 40 years in the electrical generation business, has a master’s degree and a Ph.D. from La Salle University, and claimed he had nine “committed” men working with him to carry out this attack.

No, Doggart can’t be dismissed as simply a loon; he’s a lethal threat. That is why Muhammad Matthew Gardner, the spokesman for the local Muslim community in the Islamberg, New York, community that was Doggart’s intended target, explained to me, “Our community has been traumatized.” Islamberg is a hamlet in upstate New York, right along the Pennsylvania border, that was founded in the 1980s by a group of Muslims who left New York City to escape racism, poverty, and crime. Gardner added, “Our community consists of veterans, doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc. We are true American patriots, unlike Doggart, who is not representative of Christianity, but more like the American Taliban.”

The criminal complaint against Doggart, filed by the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Tennessee, paints a bone-chilling picture of a plan to launch a violent military-style assault on Islamberg, home to about 200 predominately black Muslim Americans. Right-wing media outlets have in the past made outlandish claims about the town, which have been consistently debunked by local law enforcement.

Doggart came to the FBI’s attention via postings on social media and a confidential informant. Why attack these Muslims? Doggart’s own words highlight his motive being grounded in at least partially in his view of Christianity: “Our small group will soon be faced with the fight of our lives. We will offer those lives as collateral to prove our commitment to our God.” Doggart continued, “We shall be Warriors who inflict horrible numbers of casualties upon the enemies of our Nation and World Peace.”

Doggart, who was also recorded via wiretaps speaking to militia members in Texas and South Carolina, didn’t mince words about his plans for the Muslims of Islamberg: “We will be cruel to them. And we will burn down their buildings [Referring to their mosque and school.] ...and if anybody attempts to harm us in any way... we will take them down.”

He also detailed the weapons he would use in the attack, including an M-4 military assault rifle, armor-piercing ammunition, explosives, pistols, and a machete, because “If it gets down to the machete, we will cut them to shreds.”

Doggart expressed a hope that he would survive the terror attack, but explained, “I understand that if it’s necessary to die [in this attack] then that’s a good way to die.”

Doggart planned to travel to Islamberg on April 11 to do some reconnaissance. However, the FBI arrested him on April 10, before he could depart. Doggart was charged with violating a federal statute that makes it a crime to damage or destroy any religious property (or attempt to do so) and to use interstate communication to plan to injure persons. Astoundingly, however, he was not charged with any terrorism-related crimes.

On April 24, Doggart entered into a plea agreement, pleading guilty to one count of making threats via the phone, and he will be fined up to $250,000 and spend as much as five years in prison pending a judge’s approval of the deal.

It goes without saying that if Doggart had been Muslim and had planned to kill Christians in America, we would have seen wall-to-wall media coverage. Fox News would have cut into its already-daily coverage of demonizing Muslims to do a special report really demonizing Muslims. And few can doubt that a Muslim would’ve been charged with terrorism-related crimes.

One big reason for the lack of media coverage was that neither the FBI nor the U.S. Attorney’s Office put out a press release about Doggart’s arrest. In contrast, the FBI office in Knoxville, the one that handled this investigation, has posted press releases for numerous other recent arrests, such as for drug crimes and robbery charges. (My calls to the FBI about this issue have not been returned.)

However, when a Muslim is arrested in a sting-type operation, as we saw recently in Brooklyn, the FBI touts that arrest to the media with a detailed press release. We have also seen U.S. attorneys hold press conferences to announce the arrest of Muslims, as we witnessed recently with the six Minnesota men charged with planning to join ISIS. But not here.

In fact, this incident would have likely been ignored but for the local Islamberg community reaching out to the media. They even posted a powerful photograph on social media of the children of the town sitting under a big banner that asked: “Why do you want to kill us Robert Doggart?”

But here’s the reality: This will likely not be the last time we hear about a planned attack on Muslim Americans by right-wing groups. Alarmingly, a recent poll found 55 percent of Americans hold anti-Muslim views, the highest numbers ever recorded.

Obviously the images of ISIS committing horrific actions has fueled this sentiment. But Republican politicians like Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindhal claiming Muslim Americans want to create “no-go” zones, where Islamic law rules, and other Republicans alleging that Muslims aren’t loyal to America has ginned up the hate to levels that take some to the doorstep of violence.

And there’s another issue of great concern here. If Doggart had succeeded at his attack and slaughtered Muslims, ISIS would have been ecstatic. ISIS is hoping for these very types of attacks, which is why they release videos when they kill Christians. ISIS desperately wants Christians to attack Muslims in the West so that it makes ISIS’s recruitment pitch resonate more strongly with young Muslims.

Even though Doggart has been arrested, this case is far from over. As the Islamberg community’s spokesman explained, “We will not feel safe until he and his co-conspirators are behind bars.”

The FBI should be commended for its work in arresting Doggart before he could complete his terrorist plot. But the FBI needs to publicize these types of arrests the same way as when they arrest a Muslim on similar charges and also not hesitate in charging non-Muslims with terror-related crimes. That sends a clear message that the U.S. government is taking these incidents seriously and that Muslim lives matter. Plus, it serves as a powerful deterrent to the Doggarts of this country. This not only upholds our nation’s values, it protects all Americans by undermining ISIS’s sales pitch.
 
And once again, standing watch while doing the absurdly easy job of watching a few gauges and recording the readings every hour isn't being a "nuclear reactor operator" any more than Homer Simpson is.

And once again, the basis for this opinion is that you watched some vids on the internet, backed up by what your daddy told you about military service. Yet you demand to be taken seriously.
 
And once again, you show that all you have to offer in response to the obvious facts is the same lame stawman over and over and over again.
 
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