None Shall Pass [Game Thread - Concluded]

[spaceman98]

Well, what with Gandalf's return and no one dying last night, going off role-claims, I believe it's still a dead heat between LotR and SW.

LotR: Arakhor, azzaman333, Darth Feather, JoanK (johnhughthom), KingMorgan, SamSniped, spaceman98, topsecret
SW: Buddhafish, dcmort93, Frozen In Ice, Gone 3 the Celt, Jarrema, sirtommygunn, SouthernKing, Stuck in Pi

There is always the possibility that someone has switched faction by being recruited to the other side's cult.

Which btw is part of the reason why I am voting for Buddhafish, and you should to. I am concerned that SW town+cult might just lynch us all as soon as they get the majority, so I would like to keep a balance of power. SamSniped is a fine lynch also though.

 

[Darth Feather]

Vote: Samsniped He seems quite a bit scummier then Arakhor.

 

[Buddhafish]

Vote: SamSniped

All of your actions and inactions combined with your defense doesn't really add up as plausible to me.

@spaceman- Do you want to lynch me because you think I'm Vader or because I'm Star Wars?

 

[spaceman98]

Vote: SamSniped

All of your actions and inactions combined with your defense doesn't really add up as plausible to me.

@spaceman- Do you want to lynch me because you think I'm Vader or because I'm Star Wars?

in the end, both, since you are likely both.


To LOTR: I think that we have a good shot at winning if we lynch Buddha right now, since we already have a good idea of who our cultists are, and they probably cannot convert, so we can control them by lynching them if they disobey our orders. We can force the cult to target SWs, send the lynch against SW, and lynch the relatively small, relatively exposed (SamSniped is obviously cult at this point IMO, as is topsecret, since both of them have abilities and stories that are highly inconsistent. The stuff around Azzaman and the ability thief is also weird though I doubt he is cult, due to his instrumental role in pushing the takhisis lynch...). That said, I can understand many people's desire to maintain peace, in case the cult has more Balrogs or other weirdness up its sleeve (since this is Zack mafia, they probably do). As I said before, both plans are ok and both give us a good shot at victory, but I think lynching Buddah is better for us.

 

[JohannaK]

This is incredibly awesome.

 

[sirtommygunn]

So rather than have the towns work together, you'd prefer to just flat out exterminate the SW faction and letting the LOTR cult backstab you as soon as it's convenient for them? You have to remember, its in their interest as much as anyone's to play kingmaker here. If we lynch a SW, they'll likely kill a LOTR and vice versa. Besides that, you're assuming that both SW factions are going to be working on the same kind of conspiracy you are, and I can assure you that is not the case.

Ending the cults killing power is more important to me than this stupid town war, and that means going after the far easier target of the LOTR cult, who is at least 3x as threatening.

 

[sirtommygunn]

You have to remember, you can't flat out win a war here. You have at least 3 people in your faction who can flip their vote at any time, and unifying SW by going after them so blatantly means you will lose the vote. If it came down to it, I would lynch you Gandalf if it meant avoiding certain defeat, and I very much doubt that either cult feels differently.

 

[KingMorgan]

No innocent townie wants a SW/LotR war. If Sam is lynched today, then we vote on Vadar tomorrow. Has SW town a suspect for Vadar? It would be good to have plan as LotR town will be at a disadvantage once Sam is gone. I hear chatter that not keen to go 8 v 7 - losing the balance and facing potential annihilation. What say SW town?

 

[sirtommygunn]

We need to remove the LOTR cult's killing power, it's obvious that the cult needs a duo in order to kill and since they have 3 we need to remove 2 of them before it would be good to focus on Vader. Right now, Vader can only kill an already injured person, while LOTR cult can currently kill 1 injure 1, and it's only because of a lucky misfire that they didn't kill anyone last night. Actually, if they target the same people, they could take out 2 and injure another.

 

[sirtommygunn]

(By lucky misfire, I mean they attacked me and I have a passive that let's me be injured instead of killed at night) If we have any night protection left, it'd be great if you could protect either me or SK tonight, provided nobody counter-claims an injury.

 

[KingMorgan]

I agree with your logic tommy, but losing 2 from the lotr town is a very hard sell for the remaining townies. Throw us a bone - Find Vadar or nominate your best guess.

 

[azzaman333]

Err... tommygunn, almost everyone seems to have the ability to withstand one night kill attempt.


I'll be clear, I think SamSniped is also likely cult. But Arakhor is a much more dangerous cultist to deal with than SamSniped, so Arakhor is more important to lynch.

 

[Frozen In Ice]

Err... tommygunn, almost everyone seems to have the ability to withstand one night kill attempt.


I'll be clear, I think SamSniped is also likely cult. But Arakhor is a much more dangerous cultist to deal with than SamSniped, so Arakhor is more important to lynch.

Why do you think that? Arakhor did seem hesitant to target Takhisis but he did vote for him in the end. Also how can you determine who is a more dangerous cultist unless you know something that you aren't letting on about?

 

[Zack]

TALLY:

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[Arakhor]

Also how can you determine who is a more dangerous cultist unless you know something that you aren't letting on about?

I think it's what's known as "a cultist trying to get a townie lynched". His entire "evidence" for claiming that I'm a cultist is a slightly suspect voting record, yet apparently that makes me "a much more dangerous cultist" than SamSniped, whose entire role in the game has been revealed to be suspect at best.

If he wasn't trying to get me killed, I might be slightly flattered that he apparently thinks so highly of me.

 

[sirtommygunn]

I would guess that he thinks Arakhor is more dangerous because it's obvious Arakhor has at least some influence over his town's voting, whereas SamSniped obviously does not.

 

[spaceman98]

So rather than have the towns work together, you'd prefer to just flat out exterminate the SW faction and letting the LOTR cult backstab you as soon as it's convenient for them? You have to remember, its in their interest as much as anyone's to play kingmaker here. If we lynch a SW, they'll likely kill a LOTR and vice versa. Besides that, you're assuming that both SW factions are going to be working on the same kind of conspiracy you are, and I can assure you that is not the case.

Ending the cults killing power is more important to me than this stupid town war, and that means going after the far easier target of the LOTR cult, who is at least 3x as threatening.

Actually, fair point about the cultish kingmakers. Buddhafish should still hang for being Darth Vader if nothing else, but unvote: vote: SamSniped should hang first

 

[azzaman333]

Why do you think that? Arakhor did seem hesitant to target Takhisis but he did vote for him in the end. Also how can you determine who is a more dangerous cultist unless you know something that you aren't letting on about?

Arakhor was the most memorable defender of Takhisis. Takhisis has since been proven to be Sauron. Somehow Arakhor is not drawing any suspicion for it.

I'm basing my conclusion of Arakhor being a more dangerous cultist on the fact that Arakhor clearly has some sort of behind the scenes contact with a variety of people. On top of that, there has been inconsistencies between his public posts and what he's said privately that he's been called out on, including by you. Yet no one seems to consider him suspicious.

I think it's what's known as "a cultist trying to get a townie lynched". His entire "evidence" for claiming that I'm a cultist is a slightly suspect voting record, yet apparently that makes me "a much more dangerous cultist" than SamSniped, whose entire role in the game has been revealed to be suspect at best.

If he wasn't trying to get me killed, I might be slightly flattered that he apparently thinks so highly of me.

Dunno whose case or evidence you think your responding to, but I'm pretty sure I've established mine to be more thorough than you're acting.

 

[KingMorgan]

Yet no one seems to consider him suspicious.

I consider Arakhor to be extremely suspicious, nothing has changed the view to date.

 

[Arakhor]

Of course I've been contacting people. When Visor was killed by the Balrog, I inherited his spreadsheet, with everything he, Choxorn, Sprig and BSmith had discovered. That's why I know which LotR characters were incorruptible (sorry, KingMorgan) and what everyone's claimed roles are. That's also how we've unmasked SamSniped, as you may recall.

There shouldn't be any inconsistencies, mostly because I have never lied to anyone throughout the game, even when perhaps a lie would have been easier.