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The storming of the Bastille!
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The storming of the Bastille!
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north american scum
I tend to agree. Say to me '1789' and I think of the French Revolution. Maybe it's because I'm a European (dirty word, I know).
You mean Obama?
All taxing the rich will do is create a ceiling for the 99%, and that ceiling will slowly drop closer and closer to the poverty line as the bureaucratic elite wring every last bit of wealth the middle class has.
Better than that; taxing the lower middle class is entirely the plan. Crowding out the private sector so that they're all forced to turn to government for employment is entirely the plan. Blowing up the housing sector four years ago was all part of the plan.
Also, you left out an option; actively work to push us over the edge sooner rather than later.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
That actually makes a astonishing little amount of sense.
I see you have knowledge of 'the plan'. Expect a ring at the door sooner rather than later, there's a visit from the black baggers in your near future.
Damn man, you're not supposed to know these plans to actively push 'us' over the edge.
*ring*
Congratulations. You now sound like like a conspiracy nut, even if you aren't one.
Yes, Obama wants to crush us under his boot.
I know it's hard to understand, because he says such nice things about reducing sea levels and healing the planet, but his policies are absolutely crushing to the middle class.
Barney Frank, D-MA, didn't "roll the dice" on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2003 because it was the morally right thing to do; he did it because he still needed them to force banks to issue so much bad debt that he could create a housing "crisis" on demand. He didn't keep on protecting them because they were effective in their goal when Bush, other Republicans, and even nonpartisan sources suggested that the growing risk posed by Fannie and Freddie needed to be addressed; he kept on protecting them so that they (democrats) could ride an easy wave to victory in 2008 after blaming the whole thing on Bush.
Conspiracy theory, perhaps, but certainly one that has far more merit to it than most tinfoil worthy theories (and infinitely more merit to it than the crackpipe theory that American bombed itself on 9/11).
And what fate befell the mastermind behind the 2008 financial collapse? He was given the green-light to enact broad reaching financial reform largely unrelated to the financial collapse, along with his Countrywide-bribed buddy from Connecticut, Chris Dodd, D-CT, reform legislation so broad and so nonspecific that it's still being actively written and interpreted not only by the agencies tasked with enforcing it, but also by Msrs. Frank and Dodd themselves (apparently they also needed to pass the bill before reading what was in the bill, but we forgive Ms. Pelosi possibly the most un-American statement any American politician has said in the past 50 years).
Mr. Dictator
A Chain-Smoking Fox
Where did all these crazy people come from? 
When it became obvious that what the country really wanted was four more years of trillion-dollar deficits, reduced economic growth through heavily increased taxes, and that they'd rather give control over all healthcare decisions to the government (except abortion, but who knows how long that lasts before they start forcing women to have babies because the birthrate is dropping too low).
I mean really, fighting the IRS is impossible...why put your healthcare decisions in the same people's hands? You thought dealing with private insurance was bad? You think it's going to be easier to collect benefits from the government than from private insurance? Where are you going to go when the government denies you your operation? Most of the rest of the world comes here when their government denies coverage for their treatment (or when their government-provided treatment is so abysmal that if they can afford to come to the US for treatment they happily do).
They didn't live in reality until they were violently confronted with it two days ago.Where did all these crazy people come from?
I was hoping we'd have the sense to elect a guy who might repeal the most recent entitlement program, given that we're already looking at raising taxes in order to deal with currently existing entitlement programs.
I was hoping we'd have an earnest debate in which we came to the collective conclusion that we need to cut entitlements in order to address the deficit and debt, because they're a luxury we can't afford.
Instead, we'll experience the same cuts, but without any sort of honest discussion; the fact that it'll be done through opaque methods, such as rationing and death panels via the Affordable Care Act, is small consolation.
"Reasonable discussion" is impossible with people like you.
Ziggy Stardust
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Do people really leave Europe to go and pay for healthcare in America?
That's a sign of your own ignorance, or your own belligerence.
Or maybe just your own intolerance.
Death panels is exactly what's in there; that's how you ration care.
What, do you think they're just going to pull straws? Assign healthcare dollars based on lottery drawings? It's going to be rife with cronyism, and getting good healthcare will be either a question of how much money you have, or who you know with political connections.
The rest of us will be lucky to see a doctor, because nurses will be assigned an ever increasing amount of the workload (especially since diagnostics is something bureaucrats feel they can streamline, and that's largely all your primary brings to the table).
It was so blindingly obvious the risk those institutions posed to global financial markets that the only logical conclusion one can draw is that it was intentional; I'm at least willing to give Barney Frank enough credit to say he isn't a total idiot and was every bit as capable as the next guy to see that the $10T actor with hundreds of millions if not trillions in questionable debt holdings needed to be wound down before calamity struck.
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