Plan for Mosque III...

[bhsup]

If you don't believe they should be building it there because of what religion they are, then yeah, you've opposed to the 1st amendment in your heart. There is no other way to slice that belief.

 

[GhostWriter16]

If you don't believe they should be building it there because of what religion they are, then yeah, you've opposed to the 1st amendment in your heart. There is no other way to slice that belief.

First of all, NOBODY is denying their rights to do it, only whether it is practical.

That's like saying, lets say I say "Slavery should be allowed" (I wouldn't ever really say that) and you say "You shouldn't say that" you must oppose the first amendment as well

Wrong, only if you think the government should regulate my speech are you opposed to the 1st amendment.

 

[Leonel]

This whole thing reminds me of that whole hullabaloo about the NRA convention being hosted near Columbine a few weeks after the shootings.

 

[dwaxe]

People who protest to appeal to the BUILDERS OF THE MOSQUE asking them to reconsider are not [infringing on the first amendment].

If that's all there is to it, then this entire story is merely a testament to the tremendously disingenuous and inflammatory nature of the media. The builders of the mosque will build it regardless of what others think, and those opposed will look like a bunch of stuck-up, whiny kindergarten kids afterwards.

 

[GhostWriter16]

People who protest to appeal to the BUILDERS OF THE MOSQUE asking them to reconsider are not [infringing on the first amendment].

If that's all there is to it, then this entire story is merely a testament to the tremendously disingenuous and inflammatory nature of the media. The builders of the mosque will build it regardless of what others think, and those opposed will look like a bunch of stuck-up, whiny kindergarten kids afterwards.

You are entitled to your opinion as to whether it should be protested or not however you should recognize that thinking someone saying or doing something is wrong =/= infringing on their rights. Making it illegal may be (And would be in this case.)

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

I haven't heard any Park51 supporters say that its opponents aren't allowed to express their opinion, here or anywhere. All they have said is that the arguments and opinions the opponents make are wrong . . .

 

[dwaxe]

This whole thing reminds me of that whole hullabaloo about the NRA convention being hosted near Columbine a few weeks after the shootings.

I was about negative 8 years old back then, but that is another perfect example of a number of a large number of Americans getting their panties in a bunch over a stupidly pointless topic. The controversy will boil over within a month of the building's erection.

 

[illram]

The day London got blown up by Al Quaeda:

"When the news reporter said "Shopkeepers are opening their doors bringing out blankets and cups of tea" I just smiled. It's like yes. That's Britain for you. Tea solves everything. You're a bit cold? Tea. Your boyfriend has just left you? Tea. You've just been told you've got cancer? Tea. Coordinated terrorist attack on the transport network bringing the city to a grinding halt? Tea dammit! And if it's really serious, they may bring out the coffee. The Americans have their alert raised to red, we break out the coffee. That's for situations more serious than this of course. Like another England penalty shoot-out. ~Jslayeruk, as posted on Metaquotes Livejournal, in response to the July 2005 London subway bombings
"

For a variety of reasons, and having seen it firsthand by living there for almost a decade during the 80s and 90s, Londoners are much more reasonable and less prone to hysteria and fear when it comes to terror attacks.

For one, Islam is a bigger part of the community there. Second, almost every generation in England and London in particular has dealt with terrorism, and courageous resistance is part of the culture. The idea of not giving into fear is better understood there. This was true during the Blitz as well as during the troubles.

Over here we are more prone to high strung paranoia fed by our 24 hour news cycle and ridiculous political machine.

 

[dwaxe]

You are entitled to your opinion as to whether it should be protested or not however you should recognize that thinking someone saying or doing something is wrong =/= infringing on their rights. Making it illegal may be (And would be in this case.)

My point was that the whole controversy is pointless, absurd, aimless, irrelevant, inconsequential, inane, futile, fruitless, nonsensical, stupid, trivial, unnecessary, unavailing, worthless, vain, and impotent.

 

[useless]

The day London got blown up by Al Quaeda:

"When the news reporter said "Shopkeepers are opening their doors bringing out blankets and cups of tea" I just smiled. It's like yes. That's Britain for you. Tea solves everything. You're a bit cold? Tea. Your boyfriend has just left you? Tea. You've just been told you've got cancer? Tea. Coordinated terrorist attack on the transport network bringing the city to a grinding halt? Tea dammit! And if it's really serious, they may bring out the coffee. The Americans have their alert raised to red, we break out the coffee. That's for situations more serious than this of course. Like another England penalty shoot-out. ~Jslayeruk, as posted on Metaquotes Livejournal, in response to the July 2005 London subway bombings
"

Evidence of True British Spirit! *Raises cup of Tea and drinks*

 

[I'm Cleo!]

Opposition to the Center has nothing to do with bigotry and xenophobia at all:

At one point, a portion of the crowd menacingly surrounded two Egyptian men who were speaking Arabic and were thought to be Muslims.

"Go home," several shouted from the crowd.

"Get out," others shouted.

In fact, the two men – Joseph Nassralla and Karam El Masry — were not Muslims at all. They turned out to be Egyptian Coptic Christians who work for a California-based Christian satellite TV station called "The Way." Both said they had come to protest the mosque.

"I'm a Christian," Nassralla shouted to the crowd, his eyes bulging and beads of sweat rolling down his face.

But it was no use. The protesters had become so angry at what they thought were Muslims that New York City police officers had to rush in and pull Nassralla and El Masry to safety.

"I flew nine hours in an airplane to come here," a frustrated Nassralla said afterward.

Cleo

 

[useless]

To them, Brown people = Muslim, and this is evidence for the real underlying opposition to the building.

 

[GhostWriter16]

To them, Brown people = Muslim, and this is evidence for the real underlying opposition to the building.

Maybe a tiny, TINY percentage of a percent, but most people simply feel that placing an Islamic building VERY CLOSE to a terrible event caused by Muslims VERY SOON after it happened is insulting.

Agree or disagree, racism isn't the reason.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Opposition to the Center has nothing to do with bigotry and xenophobia at all:

How ironic. That has to be one of the funniest misplaced overt bigotry incidents of all time.

 

[.Shane.]

Agree or disagree, racism isn't the reason.

You're right, the more correct term is bigotry. Or ignorance. Or hatred.

And, you have it wrong, 9/11 was caused by jackhole terrorists. Being Muslim is incidental.

But, if we want to use your "logic", I don't think we should have any churches near doctor's buildings. No Catholic churches near schools or playgrounds. Hell, no military bases near anyone at all. No men should be allowed near women or children anywhere.

 

[dwaxe]

Maybe a tiny, TINY percentage of a percent, but most people simply feel that placing an Islamic building VERY CLOSE to a terrible event caused by Muslims VERY SOON after it happened is insulting.

Agree or disagree, racism isn't the reason.

The only insult in this topic is the disingenuous one perpetrated by the politicians and media against their own integrity--"You Muslims totally have the right to do this, but we're gonna say don't do it because we're supposed to feign objecting and milk this story as much as possible."

 

[Mr. Dictator]

Maybe a tiny, TINY percentage of a percent, but most people simply feel that placing an Islamic building VERY CLOSE to a terrible event caused by Muslims VERY SOON after it happened is insulting.

Agree or disagree, racism isn't the reason.

did you not read the part where they were surrounded and had to be gotten out by the police?

doesn't sound like a tiny percentage.

if they're really so ignorant that they'll yell down anybody who looks like a muslim, i say we build a grand mosque ON ground zero.

 

[JerichoHill]

10 years is not very soon

It's 10 freaking years later.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

10 years is not very soon

It's 10 freaking years later.

well we can invade countries for crimes we supported at the time, far more than 10 years before

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also Mobby my wife is a social worker as well. She too deals with irrational and mentally ill people all day*.

*and then she goes to work. BA DUM *TISH

Pure awesome. Actually made me lol.