Plan for Mosque III...

[Eran of Arcadia]

Having moved because of bad neighbors, I can roundly asset moving was the best damn thing I did. Made my and my families life immediately better.

If your entire block agreed with said neighbors, can you honestly tell me that they were justified in driving you off?

I mean, as I said I still don't buy that you have only Park51's interests at heart; you keep saying over and over again that numbers justify opinion. You won't come right out and say whether you think that it would be right to oppose the mosque if it were only one person opposing it. You just keep saying that people are justified in opposing it because there are a lot of them. You haven't given any other reason, ridiculous or not. (Although it is interesting to note that you don't see Newt Gingrich's comments as ridiculous.)

VRWCA: I got your back, man. It hurts to be on the side of the liberals against so many conservatives, I feel your pain.

 

[Cutlass]

Yes, there are people who don't want this mosque to be built; if, as a result of their actions, this mosque doesn't get built, over the objections of the builder (or even because he feels that he has no choice but to give in), then yeah, people's rights have been violated.

And throwing recruits into the arms of radical Islamic terrorists into the bargain.

 

[useless]

I'm confused, why don't people understand that by pressuring, marginalising, treating Muslims with suspisicion, and treating like suspected terrorists and the constant negative press about them, will surely push more young Muslims, most likely males, to become involved in terrorism?

 

[MathNerd]

The first amendment GUARANTEES freedom to practice any religion, anywhere you want, no questions asked.

Of course, it's not a smart idea to build a mosque there when one could instead be build a few miles away, but the government CANNOT stop them.

 

[Cutlass]

I'm confused, why don't people understand that by pressuring, marginalising, treating Muslims with suspisicion, and treating like suspected terrorists and the constant negative press about them, will surely push more young Muslims, most likely males, to become involved in terrorism?

I thought I just said that.

 

[useless]

Cross post then, my child.

 

[illram]

Opposition to the Freedom Rides had bipartisan support too. Attorney General Kennedy even asked them to stop and have a "cooling off period." Thankfully they didn't.

 

[say1988]

I'm confused, why don't people understand that by pressuring, marginalising, treating Muslims with suspisicion, and treating like suspected terrorists and the constant negative press about them, will surely push more young Muslims, most likely males, to become involved in terrorism?

Because all muslims are closet terrorists, of course. It is inherent in their religion.

 

[flamingzaroc121]

^^ no, but being ostracized by America is more likely to make them accept radical teachings. In fact, anyone who is pushed away is more likely to become aggresive

 

[say1988]

I realise that I forgot the smilie I intended to use as an indicator, but that was sarcastic.

 

[useless]

Ouch, my apologies.

 

[MobBoss]

If your entire block agreed with said neighbors, can you honestly tell me that they were justified in driving you off?

First of all, I resent the implication that I was the problem. Your're better than that Eran, so clean it up a bit. Secondly, our neighbors were a bunch of hispanic renters who insisted on getting dead drunk and fighting every weekend, while giving all their neighbors the finger if we objected to their partying. The cops being city cops were loath to actually do their job and do anything about it.

I lived in that house for 15 years, with good relations to everyone on the block till those scum moved in. And when it became apparent the cops wouldnt do anything about the situation, I could either a) deal with it or b) find a better place to live. For my wife and kids I chose b.

 

[useless]

First of all, I resent the implication that I was the problem. Your're better than that Eran, so clean it up a bit. Secondly, our neighbors were a bunch of hispanic renters who insisted on getting dead drunk and fighting every weekend, while giving all their neighbors the finger if we objected to their partying. The cops being city cops were loath to actually do their job and do anything about it.

I lived in that house for 15 years, with good relations to everyone on the block till those scum moved in. And when it became apparent the cops wouldnt do anything about the situation, I could either a) deal with it or b) find a better place to live. For my wife and kids I chose b.

Why would their race matter Mob

 

[Traitorfish]

The first amendment GUARANTEES freedom to practice any religion, anywhere you want, no questions asked.

Of course, it's not a smart idea to build a mosque there when one could instead be build a few miles away, but the government CANNOT stop them.

And the Circle of Martyrs widens yet again. How big is it, exactly?

Why would their race matter Mob

Very good question, Useless. Why would ethnicity be pertinent to a report of unneighbourliness?

 

[MobBoss]

I feel like I just got taken to the woodshed

I have always, and can back this up with old quotes, supported the religious freedoms of pretty much all religions (I may have said bad things about scientologists). I've defended Islam against comments that it is a violent religion. And I truly believe that to be opposed to this mosque is to be opposed to the very fabric of our society and the freedoms that it is founded upon. I think I've been totally consistent here with my history on CFC OT.

I hear you VRCWAgent. If you recall, I was one of the few who defended GWBs decision to try and award that port security contract to a company from the middle east. Do you remember that?

But similar to that situation, the public outcry was such that that particular contract was cancelled.

In this particular case, I happen to think the concern far more valid than the opposition to the security contract thing was.

I am merely opposed to the mosque at this time because its going to damage muslim/non-muslim relations. Things are simply still too emotional over 9/11. Once things cool down, and relations improve (hopefully by an concerted effort by all involved) then perhaps the issue should be re-visited successfully. But right now, excercising their right isnt going to 'bring peace' its going to have the opposite effect.

Sure they can build it now since they have the legal right to do so. But its not a good idea, and I for one, think its going to 'cause problems.

I also think your wrong in labeling the protest the way you have. Legal protest is just a part of our constitutional freedom in this country as freedom of religion is. I think you equate verbal opposition to the mosque as opposition to Islam in general, and I dont think that is the argument of the majority against the mosque being built so close to ground zero. I know its not my particular point, and so I dont see this protest being against a religion inasmuch as simply being against a bad idea of the mosque planners.

See my point?

 

[useless]

Why did you mention their race, unless you think it had an impact upon their behaviour

 

[Defiant47]

So... try again next decade? Hopefully America won't hate Muslims/be ignorant then?

 

[useless]

"Oh no, we're not ready to be tolerant of other people yet! Too soon, too soon!"

 

[MathNerd]

And the Circle of Martyrs widens yet again. How big is it, exactly?

Two blocks is too close. Many people simply driving to Ground Zero would drive by the mosque. That is offensive.

If a religion can be practiced at point A, it can be practiced at point B, with exceptions being made for sacred places such as Mecca.

 

[useless]

Another "Islamic centre" already existed nearby. If you think that it's offensive, then why aren't you offended by the strip bar, or the other places of worship near by.