Post-pandemic changes

[hobbsyoyo]

Thing about that systemic rot is that it is a lot harder to repair than a lot of people credit it for being. Mechanisms put in place to expand wealth disparity by Reagan are still serving that function today because whether they really like it or not Democrat administrations in those rare brief windows of opportunity have to take a "put out blazing fires first" approach. By the time the Clinton administration had the immediately dangerous infernos tamped down the GOP had enough power to prevent any actual repairs. Then the Bush administration lit a bunch more fires, as well as doubling down on the wealth disparity mechanisms and the Obama administration again managed to prevent the total collapse thet was on the plate they were handed, but was hamstrung before much in the way of serious repairs could be undertaken...and it only took two years for the GOP to undo that and yet again redouble the wealth disparity machinery.

If you want to see actual repairs we are going to have to put the Democrats in control for an extended period, even if they are not our "favorite" democrats. I mean, full control; house, senate, white house. And I mean a really extended period. A few years to put out the infernos, followed by a few more years to dismantle the structures of long term damage production, followed by a few more years to install some quality structures for moving forward.

We need another new deal coalition basically.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Yeah, its dehomosexualisation camps worked out for the best.

You've got me there

 

[Zardnaar]

We need another new deal coalition basically.

Maybe the elites will be happy to pay an extra 5-10% more tax.

When it's your ass and family's ass on the line it tends to focus things.

Neo liberialism bubbled in the background but didn't really become a thing until the 70s. I think the tide was turning against it anyway this will likely accelerate it. It's a race to the bottom and the US is about to hit the bottom.

The Dems could just appoint two more SCOTUS judges as well. Doesn't have to be 9. I suspect the GoP is screwed for a decade or more.

 

[H4run]

I'm no economist and don't know anything about Economy, but because the money in my bank account keep getting devalued, I like to imagine there will be a great inflation and people who got weaker currency will lost their trust to their own currency and gold will be somewhat popularized in the future, not solely as a tool to accumulate wealth but perhaps for economy transaction, integrated into somekind of e-wallet perhaps?

Maybe is just me projecting my own distrust on people.

 

[Patine]

What came after the Tsarist government murdered more people than all the other Tsars put together.

A smarter Tsar would have made concessions and transitioned to a constitutional monarchy.

Or reformed earlier. Not gone to war etc.

I would say "than all the Tsars put together," put together would be very tough claim. I've read about the excesses Dark Ages, Medieval, and Early Modern Tsars, and they are indeed brutal, horrible, and widespread, including ethnic genocides, massacres, whole villages burnt and slaughtered, forced relocation, religious persecution, ethnic cleansing of certain conquered areas, etc. Plus, the biggest problem in proving your claim is that no reliable statistics, in numbers, measure the Tsars did in totality, unlike the Soviets, who do have roughnumbers.

Yeah, its dehomosexualisation camps worked out for the best.

And @Cloud_Strife, not only those horrid camps, which make "gay conversion therapy," in those groups that call themselves "Evangelical Protestant Christian Churches," but have little connection at all to the Ministry of Christ and the Apostles other than symbolism, parroted rituals, and vane pretense look like a play school slap on the wrist, Cuban law, like the great majority of nations in the World outside the "White" Anglosphere, certain specific Continental European and Spanish American nations, Taiwan, the Philippines, Thailand, and South Africa, do not legally recognize transsexual status - you would be, legally, at best, a "genitally mutilated gay man and transvestite," I'm afraid to say. It's pretty grim and rough in most of the World. As much you gripe about it and say its untenable, you live in one of the 20 or so best countries for transsexual rights in the World.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Prediction:

The 2021 boom in birth rate will come to be known as "gen-corona." In order to downplay the hardships that caused this boom their parents will claim it is a reference to Mexican beer.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

And @Cloud_Strife, not only those horrid camps, which make "gay conversion therapy," in those groups that call themselves "Evangelical Protestant Christian Churches," but have little connection at all to the Ministry of Christ and the Apostles other than symbolism, parroted rituals, and vane pretense look like a play school slap on the wrist, Cuban law, like the great majority of nations in the World outside the "White" Anglosphere, certain specific Continental European and Spanish American nations, Taiwan, the Philippines, Thailand, and South Africa, do not legally recognize transsexual status - you would be, legally, at best, a "genitally mutilated gay man and transvestite," I'm afraid to say. It's pretty grim and rough in most of the World. As much you gripe about it and say its untenable, you live in one of the 20 or so best countries for transsexual rights in the World.

Do me a solid and please don't talk about trans issues whilst using "transsexual". In fact just don't talk about them at all okay, because you don't even have the basics down and you don't know what it's like to be trans in america, let alone the vast and disparate treatment they face, the barriers facing them in terms of getting treated legally as the gender they transition to etc, yet you're making pronouncements that to any American Transperson, would be read as severely ignorant.

 

[Patine]

Do me a solid and please don't talk about trans issues whilst using "transsexual". In fact just don't talk about them at all okay, because you don't even have the basics down and you don't know what it's like to be trans in america, let alone the vast and disparate treatment they face, the barriers facing them in terms of getting treated legally as the gender they transition to etc, yet you're making pronouncements that to any American Transperson, would be read as severely ignorant.

Actually, though not first hand, I do know more that you think. And while it may be rough - and I have much more of an idea of how rough it is than you give me credit for - declaring the United States and the "White First World," to be so horrible for the conditions you face, and condemning "White First World," all the time as the very font of bigotry, intolerance, oppression, disparity, and even "Fascist domination," I would really like to hear where you think things in the World things are actually better, fairer, and more enlightened and tolerant. And this isn't a rhetorical question - I would really like to hear your answer here.

 

[Zardnaar]

Actually, though not first hand, I do know more that you think. And while it may be rough - and I have much more of an idea of how rough it is than you give me credit for - declaring the United States and the "White First World," to be so horrible for the conditions you face, and condemning "White First World," all the time as the very font of bigotry, intolerance, oppression, disparity, and even "Fascist domination," I would really like to hear where you think things in the World things are actually better, fairer, and more enlightened and tolerant. And this isn't a rhetorical question - I would really like to hear your answer here.

Lol its a handful of European nation's and the Commonwealth for the most part.

 

[Patine]

Lol its a handful of European nation's and the Commonwealth for the most part.

The three Asian nations, South Africa, and a very few Spanish American nations have a recognized legal status (Thailand has famously for a long time), but I don't know if actual de facto living and social conditions are comparable to the predominantly-White countries mentioned.

 

[Zardnaar]

The three Asian nations, South Africa, and a very few Spanish American nations have a recognized legal status (Thailand has famously for a long time), but I don't know if actual de facto living and social conditions are comparable to the predominantly-White countries mentioned.

LGBTQ can still get killed in a few South American countries. Lesbians were getting it rough in Chile iirc.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Actually, though not first hand, I do know more that you think. And while it may be rough - and I have much more of an idea of how rough it is than you give me credit for - declaring the United States and the "White First World," to be so horrible for the conditions you face, and condemning "White First World," all the time as the very font of bigotry, intolerance, oppression, disparity, and even "Fascist domination," I would really like to hear where you think things in the World things are actually better, fairer, and more enlightened and tolerant. And this isn't a rhetorical question - I would really like to hear your answer here.

What I'd like to ask you is do you think people having it worse elsewhere excuses injustices in Canada, USA, UK etc?
Should the limit of our ambitions be to not be the worst?
Are you aware that progress is not a constant, things can get worse instead of better?

 

[Patine]

What I'd like to ask you is do you think people having it worse elsewhere excuses injustices in Canada, USA, UK etc?
Should the limit of our ambitions be to not be the worst?
Are you aware that progress is not a constant, things can get worse instead of better?

Not at all. Not in the least. My issue is that @Cloud_Strife viciously and SPECIFICALLY attacks American and "White," culture as though it were the very worst of them and responsible for the worst and vilest MODERN abuses, oppression, and inequities, and, in other posts and topics, defends nations with far worse records of such abuses, bigotry, and inequity where she'd almost be dead by now, and with absolutely so social sympathy. I think her view of the world is askew. She tries to conflate the worst nations in terms of anti-LGBTQ prejudices, misogyny, racism, etc. with "White Imperialist powers," and they just aren't the same countries in the modern day. It's a warped and distorted point-of-view she keeps pushing, and it's really gotten old, because it leads to attacks - even against certain posters - that are completely disingenuous and lacking any real perspective.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Actually, though not first hand, I do know more that you think.

Given how often you make this claim, does it occur to you that perhaps you need to communicate more effectively?

 

[Patine]

Given how often you make this claim, does it occur to you that perhaps you need to communicate more effectively?

I have sympathy for her plight and the situation that exists for transpeople in general. Her particular attitude toward others, which is downright atrocious, out-of-perspective, accusatory, self-righteous, and does it's damned best to test and alienate any personal sympathy to her (and she has practically NONE when it comes up for anyone else's suffering or hardships) that I call her out on. As the old trope goes, "if someone in a wheelchair is rude and belligerent to you, you're thinking of their attitude, not their compromising situation in dealing with them." A similar situation here.

 

[Takhisis]

Well they got around 20 years starting with FDR. Didn't always have complete control.

Trump Hoover 2.0?

Hoover took the Gilded Age to a maximum, then FDR and others moved the country leftwards, and ever since then there's been an ongoing effort to undo the new deal. Suppose that after Donald Trump things went really wild and you had AOC as Biden's VP then an eight-year AOC presidency, then a few more years along those lines. I'd probably guess that there'd still be holdouts trying to undo a hypothetical green/sanitation/distribution new deal.

You've got me there

I was going to post more on this but the subject's become poisonous.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I have sympathy for her plight and the situation that exists for transpeople in general. Her particular attitude toward others, which is downright atrocious, out-of-perspective, accusatory, self-righteous, and does it's damned best to test and alienate any personal sympathy to her (and she has practically NONE when it comes up for anyone else's suffering or hardships) that I call her out on. As the old trope goes, "if someone in a wheelchair is rude and belligerent to you, you're thinking of their attitude, not their compromising situation in dealing with them." A similar situation here.

That was far from my point. Generalization: someone who repeats "I know more than you think" a lot is either not getting their actual knowledge level across very well, or they are getting it across but actually don't know as much as they want to believe. In my experience people who actually know more than I think they do reveal it pretty well without having to make any claims at all, much less repetitiously.

LGBTQ can still get killed in a few South American countries. Lesbians were getting it rough in Chile iirc.

They can still get killed in Montana. Variations in local law are not the ultimate measure. People who celebrated the passage of the fair housing act and then found themselves in redline districts while law enforcement shrugged would attest to that.

 

[Patine]

That was far from my point. Generalization: someone who repeats "I know more than you think" a lot is either not getting their actual knowledge level across very well, or they are getting it across but actually don't know as much as they want to believe. In my experience people who actually know more than I think they do reveal it pretty well without having to make any claims at all, much less repetitiously.

Not really. "I know more than you think," is not that profound of a statement, relatively speaking, when responding to someone who has all but declared I know less on the topic than a backhills ape. It's all a matter of perspective, right? She assumes more about how much I know on the topic, without any strong evidence or backing, then any false claim or assumption I have made about the topic in general (deciding fallacies about other posters out of whole cloth, declaring them fact, and using said fallacies for faux personal attacks right to other posters' faces is a favourite tactic of hers, and another complaint I have about her attitude).

 

[Patine]

That was far from my point. Generalization: someone who repeats "I know more than you think" a lot is either not getting their actual knowledge level across very well, or they are getting it across but actually don't know as much as they want to believe. In my experience people who actually know more than I think they do reveal it pretty well without having to make any claims at all, much less repetitiously.


They can still get killed in Montana. Variations in local law are not the ultimate measure. People who celebrated the passage of the fair housing act and then found themselves in redline districts while law enforcement shrugged would attest to that.

They do. But it makes the news, and causes outrage in various media circles and NGO's, and there's police investigations. That is not the case in Uganda, Jamaica, Saudi Arabia, etc. - at least on a case-by-case basis, or within the nation itself with any real influence. And it happens a Hell of a lot more in those countries than in ANY U.S. States - or, often, the whole United States!

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Not really. "I know more than you think," is not that profound of a statement, relatively speaking, when responding to someone who has all but declared I know less on the topic than a backhills ape.

And yet you seem concerned that said declaration will be given widespread credibility. That is not to say that it won't be, because it probably will, but that was my point to begin with; no matter how many times you make this not terribly profound statement it does not seem to be moving the needle.

They do. But it makes the news, and causes outrage in various media circles and NGO's, and there's police investigations. That is not the case in Uganda, Jamaica, Saudi Arabia, etc. - at least on a case-by-case basis, or within the nation itself with any real influence. And it happens a Hell of a lot more in those countries than in ANY U.S. States - or, often, the whole United States!

Somehow I doubt the people actually affected are comforted by "well, at least you get to be a victim of a crime, just think if you lived in Uganda!"