Post-pandemic changes

There's a few more people than me and Donny who think this can work. Apparently, a good number of people at Ford, GM, Toyota and Tesla are on board with trying to make this happen:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/business/automakers-ventilator-production-coronavirus/index.html

But again, this is not something that can happen immediately. I don't think I've ever suggested that, either. In fact, my first post on the idea of them responding indicated that I think people are a little out of touch if they think this can be done overnight.
 
Pretty sure the ratio I pointed out should be considered a crime against humanity. 5 Trillion to 250 billion.
Like it or not, we saw a very real chance of the financial markets seizing up like in 2008 and the Fed took quick action to prevent that. Anyone short of the most bomb-throwing of anarchists would want to avoid that situation. The Fed kept the financial markets from melting down. Now it is the turn for our congresscritters to take action.
Adam Tooze said:
As the coronavirus crisis has intensified, the turmoil in financial markets has awakened memories of 2008. At the weekend, along with announcing an interest rate cut and expansion of bond-buying, the US Federal Reserve led a group of major central banks in announcing changes to make it easier to borrow on the so-called liquidity swap lines. These are the hidden bits of wiring in the global financial system which (as I explained in my history of the financial crisis, Crashed) played a huge if under-appreciated part in pulling the world back from the brink just over a decade ago.

Swap arrangements allow the Bank of Canada, the Bank of England, the European Central Bank, the Bank of Japan and the National Bank of Switzerland to borrow unlimited quantities of dollars from the Fed in exchange for credits in their own currency. After a pre-agreed period, and after the payment of interest on both sides, the currencies are swapped back. Since it is the other central banks that need dollars, the interest payments give the Fed a small margin in its favour.

When they were first used in the 1960s, the purpose of the swap lines was to funnel scarce currencies between central banks to give them firepower in managing and maintaining the fixed exchange rates, which the big economies were all committed to uphold under the post-war Bretton Woods system.

Two generations have passed since then, but much more recently—in 2007—the Fed brought swap lines back, to serve a different purpose. Today the central banks need swaps not so much as managers of national currencies, but rather in their role as conduits: they channel the dollars they receive from the Fed to banks in the financial centres of the City of London, Zurich and Tokyo. Through the swap lines, the Fed thereby acts as a de facto lender of last resort not just to America’s banks, or to foreign banks with branches in Wall Street, but to all the major banks in countries around the world that are covered by swap arrangements, wherever those banks may be located.

Though America’s global influence may be on the wane and though the coronavirus crisis is a further demonstration of how decrepit are America’s domestic institutions, the fact that we need swap lines demonstrates that when it comes to finance, the dollar is still king. And it is America’s central bank, the Fed, that is the ultimate source of dollars.

The global banking system’s use of the dollar is remarkable. All told, non-American banks have $13 trillion in dollar-denominated assets on their books. This is roughly equal to the balance sheet of America’s own banks. To fund those holdings they swap deposits in foreign currencies into dollars. Very few of them have large deposits from retail customers in the US. But many foreign banks do borrow funds on American money markets. In good times it is a profitable trade for the foreign banks to avail themselves of cheap and convenient funding in dollars. The question is what to do in a crisis when this flow of dollars dries up?

It was acute difficulties in finding dollar funding that prompted the Fed to reintroduce the swaps in 2007. In the autumn of 2008, as the Lehman crisis escalated, they were made unlimited. Although there was less call for them after the crisis eased, in 2013 they were institutionalised between the core group of central banks, so they could be “switched on” again where needed. The fact that they have been activated in the last week is a worrying sign. It suggests that even large global banks are struggling to find the dollars they need.

Amid a panic, investors always scramble for cash, which drives up the price of borrowing, and that—in turn—threatens to destabilise balance sheets, which are often based on a revolving flow of funding and wafer-thin profit margins. In 2008, it was the Europeans who were caught short. Today, their banking systems are a shadow of their former selves, and so is their demand for dollar funding. All eyes currently are instead on Asia. The major countries there have a better grip on the coronavirus crisis, at least so far. But the economic repercussions of the shutdowns that have achieved this are only beginning to make themselves felt. There is great anxiety about the possible funding needs of Japanese investors who have large holdings of American assets. Similarly, Taiwanese insurance funds may be exposed.

But the biggest concern of all is China. We normally think of China as a large creditor to the world and to the US in particular. And this is true. But while the Chinese state has large claims on the US, Chinese businesses have also contracted large debts denominated in dollars. They might well need hundreds of billions of dollars to refinance those debts. The prospect of China actually selling some part of its holding of Treasury bonds is a spectre that has hung over financial markets since the early 2000s. But China never faced a major outflow in 2008 and in any case other investors would have been only to happy to snap up its safe US assets. Not so in our current market. US Treasury and other bond yields have been rising, so great is the pressure on fund managers to provide cash to their clients.

Another central bank would ask the Fed to activate a swap line. But the one major central bank that has no arrangement in place to swap dollars with the Fed is the People’s Bank of China. At the heart of the global financial system today, this is the basic faultline. The Fed and the PBoC have independent swap lines with other central banks. They have many nodes in common. But what are arguably the two most important central banks in the world lack a direct connection. The reasons are clearly political. Given the current complexion of the American political scene, where the Republican right is beginning to talk in terms of making China pay coronavirus “reparations,” the Fed would not want to be seen extending a dollar loan to China on the basis of Chinese collateral. Nor would Beijing be keen to admit its need for American cooperation.

In handling the pandemic, the rivalry between the US and China has been destructive enough. Let us hope that it does not prove even more damaging in dealing with the financial fallout.
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/...virus-economic-crash-recession-banks-trump-us
 
Like it or not, we saw a very real chance of the financial markets seizing up like in 2008 and the Fed took quick action to prevent that. Anyone short of the most bomb-throwing of anarchists would want to avoid that situation. The Fed kept the financial markets from melting down. Now it is the turn for our congresscritters to take action.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/...virus-economic-crash-recession-banks-trump-us

Yes but what this works out as in real terms is the massive bail out of risk taking by "capitalists". You know those with large amounts of wealth. So its like so many leftists point out these days. We have socialism for the wealthy and austerity for the poor. The inverse should generally be the case and the high levels of leverage should be better regulated.

In short the american electorate is being punched in the face repeatedly for forty years and then told to smile about it. No more. We will shore them up . . . because we have no choice but this time I hop ewe can build a better system that helps more then just the top 10% gain wealth.
 
There's a few more people than me and Donny who think this can work. Apparently, a good number of people at Ford, GM, Toyota and Tesla are on board with trying to make this happen:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/business/automakers-ventilator-production-coronavirus/index.html

But again, this is not something that can happen immediately. I don't think I've ever suggested that, either. In fact, my first post on the idea of them responding indicated that I think people are a little out of touch if they think this can be done overnight.

Let's see...Dingbat Donny publicly proclaims "reopen the shut down GM plant and make ventilators there." What exactly happens if GM states the obviously true fact "it would be just as easy and twice as fast for us to just build a new factory from the ground up"? The lunatic Trumpists and Breitbarf promptly start screaming "heads must roll" and boycotting Chevys. Of course they are "on board." That doesn't make it any less stupid. They would have to retool their entire supply chain. This so they can make ventilators someday, long after the people who need them are dead. It's a propaganda exercise of the most sordid variety, and a total waste of time that could be spent on actually responding to the problem in useful ways.
 
Expect to see a lot more of this in America: https://mashpeewampanoagtribe-nsn.g...l-take-action-to-prevent-the-loss-of-our-land

"At 4:00 pm today -- on the very day that the United States has reached a record 100,000 confirmed cases of the coronavirus and our Tribe is desperately struggling with responding to this devastating pandemic -- the Bureau of Indian Affairs informed me that the Secretary of the Interior has ordered that our reservation be disestablished and that our land be taken out of trust. Not since the termination era of the mid-twentieth century has a Secretary taken action to disestablish a reservation.

Today's action was cruel and it was unnecessary. The Secretary is under no court order to take our land out of trust. He is fully aware that litigation to uphold our status as a tribe eligible for the benefits of the Indian Reorganization Act is ongoing.

It begs the question, what is driving our federal trustee's crusade against our reservation?

Regardless of the answer, we the People of the First Light have lived here since before there was a Secretary of the Interior, since before there was a State of Massachusetts, since before the Pilgrims arrived 400 years ago. We have survived, we will continue to survive. These are our lands, these are the lands of our ancestors, and these will be the lands of our grandchildren. This Administration has come and it will go. But we will be here, always. And we will not rest until we are treated equally with other federally recognized tribes and the status of our reservation is confirmed.

I will continue to provide updates on this important issue in the coming days as we take action to prevent the loss of our trust status.

Kutâputunumuw;

Chairman Cedric Cromwell
Qaqeemasq (Running Bear)"
Here is some more detail on the situation.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-wampanoag-land/

I'm guessing that the real issue is that the non Indian community doesn't want an Indian Casino/resort in their neighborhood and if the tribe gets disbanded, the land goes back into the market to be bought up by non Indian developers. On both sides, it is all about the money.
 
I am reminded of the time that after hearing endless adverts on the radio for a casino I used the name of the casino in a pretty disrespectful way and got called up hard for my "insensitivity to Native Americans." It was actually the first I knew that the casino was named for the tribe. I questioned exactly where the source of the disrespect actually lay since it seemed to me that the casino, which was at the center of a whole range of scandalous problems, wasn't something I would want my name on in the first place.
 
Fine, but it's a bipartisan one!
Bipartisan in the sense that the Democrats would rather get help into people's hands right now rather than spend months fighting the GOP's insistence that our corporate overlords should be first in the soup kitchen lines.

And Trump's statement that he'd ignore all of the built-in protections meant to keep him from personally profiteering and the GOP just laughing kind of shows where we're at.
 
Speaking of changes, and it shouldn't require any pandemic to look at it:

At Koch Foods in Mississippi, Ramirez, an undocumented Guatemalan immigrant who asked to go by his last name, said a woman who worked near him showed up for her shift last week with a heavy cough. But after she told her supervisor, he said, she was told she couldn’t come back. The message was clear, he said. So, when he started feeling sick a few days later, he simply kept quiet and continued working.

“People are worried,” Ramirez said, that if they say they are sick, “they’ll fire us.”

Going to the doctor is not an option, he said, because he doesn’t have health insurance and fears it could expose his immigration status.

Even before the coronavirus, the meat industry had complained of a labor shortage as low pay and harsh conditions collided with a tight labor market, tighter borders and dramatic reductions by the Trump administration in the number of refugees, who make up the backbone of many plants’ workforce.
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In another area known as “debone,” workers stand side by side cutting raw chicken into breasts and tenders, so close that they occasionally cut coworkers with their knives.

In pork plants, workers are so packed together that a little over a decade ago, two dozen workers at a Minnesota factory developed a neurological illness from inhaling aerosolized pig brains that drifted from a nearby station that was making an ingredient used in stir-fry thickeners.

Is Upton Sinclair missed? Or are people OK knowing this so long as they get their cheap chicken?
 
Break room at work reorganized by removing some tables so all tables are 4-6 feet away from each other.

Still huddle around the time clock when we only have a 2 minute window to punch in.
 
Speaking of changes, and it shouldn't require any pandemic to look at it:



Is Upton Sinclair missed? Or are people OK knowing this so long as they get their cheap chicken?

We have cheap chicken here and our stations aren't that cramped.
 
We have cheap chicken here and our stations aren't that cramped.

I guess those funds the Koch brothers distributed to their propaganda ventures and pet politicians and journalists required a very high profit margin in their enterprises then...
 
I guess those funds the Koch brothers distributed to their propaganda ventures and pet politicians and journalists required a very high profit margin in their enterprises then...

Farming's the main driver of our economy.

We don't have spacing for Covid but I've got friends in meatworks.

What they're looking at doing is cutting production 50% short term and spacing people out every 2nd station.

I was on a cutting station 15 years ago. If I slipped I wouldn't cut the person before me. You would have to trip and stab them.

We had onsite masseuse for you shoulders/RSI and if you hurt your tend one or whatever they would give you light duties or rotate you onto a machine and press buttons.

The idea being you do that before you need surgery. You also got rotated between cutting bench, skinning machine, packaging and cleaning.

Everyone had their own knife which was washed down and sanitized at the end if the day. You had to carry them with the blunt part of the filleting blade up against your forearm.

Often the 1st guy to finish in the front of the line grabs the rack out of the box and collects the knives. The rack is put inside a box and it's filled with sanitiser.

Anything hitting the floor is thrown out. The offal containers are elevated off the floor on top of another container.

They all get washed and sanitized at the end if the day. A few people got extra overtime to clean up.

All the aprons get scrubbed and hosed down, there's a boot scrubbing station and sanitized foot baths.

It's just drummed into you. Never cut myself in 5 years using a blade sharp enough to remove hairs off your arm.

Beef line.


It's a promotional video but that's basically what the lines look like.

We had to wear aprons, safety gloves, hairnets and gloves.
 
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some horrible book that was , the slaughterhouse would be its direct translation of its Turkish name as am not sure about the original . But kinda lacking the reason why it was ever allowed to happen . Maybe people were to be so disgusted that meat sales would fall and big business could buy farms in Texas cheap , so that they have the right for oil search . When was the Texas oil boom was again ?
 
some horrible book that was , the slaughterhouse would be its direct translation of its Turkish name as am not sure about the original . But kinda lacking the reason why it was ever allowed to happen . Maybe people were to be so disgusted that meat sales would fall and big business could buy farms in Texas cheap , so that they have the right for oil search . When was the Texas oil boom was again ?

Slaughterhouses aren't pleasant even here.

But you can compare the above to a wet market.
 
some horrible book that was , the slaughterhouse would be its direct translation of its Turkish name as am not sure about the original . But kinda lacking the reason why it was ever allowed to happen . Maybe people were to be so disgusted that meat sales would fall and big business could buy farms in Texas cheap , so that they have the right for oil search . When was the Texas oil boom was again ?

In English it was called The Jungle. How it happened was ... in the dark. There was no regulation and the people eating the meat never knew what went on while the people who knew what went on just didn't eat the meat.
 
as it was such a revolting thing and we read it in English literature and ı was tempted to look it up in some Turkish encyclopedia and like 25 years ago , so thanks for the original name . And ı also happen to know Roosevelt or some other big name was either forced or helped to reform the market and the companies and stuff . And like not attacking any sector and stuff , we might no longer have Windows if the horrible stuff happens and Bill Gates had simulations a decade ago , but we will still eat meat , right ?
 
I wonder how many businesses are going to die because people's habits have been permanently altered by the virus? I thought that as I was biking past a convenience store that I often pop into for a quick sugar rush. I do expect I'll go back to popping in for snacks after this is over, but many people may not and there will be other businesses/sectors that don't really recover to pre-crisis levels.
 
I wonder how many businesses are going to die because people's habits have been permanently altered by the virus? I thought that as I was biking past a convenience store that I often pop into for a quick sugar rush. I do expect I'll go back to popping in for snacks after this is over, but many people may not and there will be other businesses/sectors that don't really recover to pre-crisis levels.

My guess is that online shopping will get a boost at the expense of local shops and highstreet shopping.
But that would I think be more of a speed up catalysing effect than a real change of the landscape

Less SME more Big Corporate
the tricky thing there is that online shopping and delivery are both so vulnerable for monopolies.
You only needs some heaps of money
You buy an existing company
You use very low price and high service to destroy competing companies
You don't care about the big losses you make
Other companies go down
You buy them as well and you keep the price level low until you control the market even if that takes years of heavy losses
You light up a big cigar
You increase prices and lower service

Will voters vote for political parties that make anti-monopoly laws sharp ???
Will consumers vote with their wallet to protect the normal companies ???
 
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