Postmortem on Mueller

[Estebonrober]

not surprising when we have been waiting 2 years for CNN To ask a single question of Hillary about if she knew anything about the Steele Dossier... just one Question...

I’m not expecting any cable outfit to do anything responsible at all. I’m also not sure Hillary is talk questions from anyone these days.

 

[Old Hippy]

I’m also not sure Hillary is talk questions from anyone these days.

she probably has had legal advice...

 

[Berzerker]

Because a selection of posters here contrary to their claims basically spout Fox News taking points.

I dont watch Fox and if I did that wouldn't mean I agree with their hypocritical partisanship any more than I agree with the Dems howling about Trump while ignoring the crimes of their sacred cows. When you accuse people dont use a fabricated guilt by association to back it up.

 

[Estebonrober]

I dont watch Fox and if I did that wouldn't mean I agree with their hypocritical partisanship any more than I agree with the Dems howling about Trump while ignoring the crimes of their sacred cows. When you accuse people dont use a fabricated guilt by association to back it up.

You are guilty by association though. Like that’s exactly the point.

 

[Berzerker]

Guilty of what? I dont associate with Fox News, I watch MSNBC. Does that make me hypocritical too?

 

[rah]

I watch Fox News every now and then. It doesn't mean I believe what they report. It is amazing how well they can keep a straight face while reading that stuff. (sometimes even they can't) Sometime you learn more by listening to what the other side is saying.

 

[Estebonrober]

I watch Fox News every now and then. It doesn't mean I believe what they report. It is amazing how well they can keep a straight face while reading that stuff. (sometimes even they can't) Sometime you learn more by listening to what the other side is saying.

He’s not guilty of watching Fox News he is guilty of parroting their talking points without critical self analysis.

 

[Lexicus]

He’s not guilty of watching Fox News he is guilty of parroting their talking points without critical self analysis.

Nah he doesn't watch Fox news, instead he gets "objective" information about Mueller from

news outlets aligned more or less with the GOP

 

[Cloud_Strife]

So fox in all but name, basically.

 

[onejayhawk]

Well go ahead and use the more severe term J. Also the rest of this post is babbling. I’m not even sure what the point you are trying to make is honestly.

Treason is narrowly defined by the Constitution so it might not apply, "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort." Is it levying war? The argument can be made, but I am not sure how far it would go. Certainly lesser things like fraud, corruption, abuse of office would apply.

As to babbling, this has been said from before the appointment of Mueller. There is no point other than there are a lot of people that think Trump was railroaded and that the real criminals are are Clapper, Comey, Brennan, possibly Lynch and even Obama.

It now looks very likely that they can prove some form of misuse of office by a substantial cross section of law enforcement/intelligence leadership. The question becomes who ran it from the West Wing? It is a question that has been asked regularly for two and a half years. At first it was a conspiracy theory. Today, after more and more facts have emerged, it is probably mainstream Republican thinking.

J

 

[Berzerker]

Nah he doesn't watch Fox news, instead he gets "objective" information about Mueller from

Wouldn't firing the AG be exercising oversight?

Here was the full quote:

"I'm surprised at Mueller, that article doesn't help his image and makes the picture even more confusing. Recently I find myself having to rely on news outlets aligned more or less with the GOP to find this stuff out. Two years of MSNBC has rotted my brain like that lady who didn't know the Mueller report said bad things about Trump."

Context: MSNBC doesn't criticize Mueller's tactics, I have to instead rely on outlets that lean Republican to get that information.

So fox in all but name, basically.

I've quoted Mueller and paraphrased Jimmy Dore (and listen to Glenn Greenwald), the FISA application on Page, and I've linked articles from Vox, Huffpost, The Stream, WashTimes, National Review and the Hill. I haven't quoted or linked Fox much less their videos. Its a mix of 'left and right', but I only recently started reading articles from the Hill and someone told me they lean Republican, hence my admission I've started reading material from more Republican leaning sources. Telling people they're brainwashed might be more convincing if you leave your echo chamber first...or is that removing the plank from your own eye. Either way, I'm getting a lecture about bias from people who dont want to hear both sides.

He’s not guilty of watching Fox News he is guilty of parroting their talking points without critical self analysis.

So I dont watch Fox but I parrot their talking points. How does that work?

 

[onejayhawk]

Wouldn't firing the AG be exercising oversight?Here was the full quote:

"I'm surprised at Mueller, that article doesn't help his image and makes the picture even more confusing. Recently I find myself having to rely on news outlets aligned more or less with the GOP to find this stuff out. Two years of MSNBC has rotted my brain like that lady who didn't know the Mueller report said bad things about Trump." Context: MSNBC doesn't criticize Mueller's tactics, I have to instead rely on outlets that lean Republican to get that information.

I've quoted Mueller and paraphrased Jimmy Dore (and listen to Glenn Greenwald), the FISA application on Page, and I've linked articles from Vox, Huffpost, The Stream, WashTimes, National Review and the Hill. I haven't quoted or linked Fox much less their videos. Its a mix of 'left and right', but I only recently started reading articles from the Hill and someone told me they lean Republican, hence my admission I've started reading material from more Republican leaning sources. Telling people they're brainwashed might be more convincing if you leave your echo chamber first...or is that removing the plank from your own eye. Either way, I'm getting a lecture about bias from people who dont want to hear both sides.

So I dont watch Fox but I parrot their talking points. How does that work?

I think that there is a fundamental failure to grasp that the attempted coup theory is not fringe. They want Trump gone and are not willing to look closely at the means of doing it. Accountability is a ***** when you are willing to cheat.

J

 

[Gori the Grey]

At first it was a conspiracy theory

As long as the source for such thinking is identified in the passive voice,

this has been said

it's still one.

That is not incompatible with your claim that it may represent mainstream Republican thinking.

But go on "having been said"ing it.

Here's my limerick:

"Forty-Four calling each deep state member:
We must reduce Trump to an ember."
"Sir, our FBI spies,
Have found Putinesque ties."
"Great, now hold it til after November."

On the verge of the election, Comey specifically announced a re-opening of the Clinton investigation and specifically declined to reveal that the Trump campaign was under a counterintelligence investigation.

Your Deep State operatives Helped. Trump. Win.

 

[Old Hippy]

On the verge of the election, Comey specifically announced a re-opening of the Clinton investigation and specifically declined to reveal that the Trump campaign was under a counterintelligence investigation.

Your Deep State operatives Helped. Trump. Win.

By clearing Hillary of serious charges... just days before people voted...now these hacks will have to explain the process behind that decision...they thought she would never lose...they thought no one would be around to follow it up... **** happens...

 

[hobbsyoyo]

On the verge of the election, Comey specifically announced a re-opening of the Clinton investigation and specifically declined to reveal that the Trump campaign was under a counterintelligence investigation.

Your Deep State operatives Helped. Trump. Win.

And McConnell threatened an absolute poopstorm if anyone in the Obama administration went public with information on the Russian's attempt to influence the election. He refused to sign a bipartisan statement that others in the GOP were ready to sign and made that threat all to support Trump.

 

[onejayhawk]

As long as the source for such thinking is identified in the passive voice,

it's still one. That is not incompatible with your claim that it may represent mainstream Republican thinking. But go on "having been said"ing it. Here's my limerick:

"Forty-Four calling each deep state member:
We must reduce Trump to an ember."
"Sir, our FBI spies,
Have found Putinesque ties."
"Great, now hold it til after November."

On the verge of the election, Comey specifically announced a re-opening of the Clinton investigation and specifically declined to reveal that the Trump campaign was under a counterintelligence investigation. Your Deep State operatives Helped. Trump. Win.

You are absolutely correct. It is still a conspiracy theory. Until it is proven it will remain a theory, like climate change is a theory. In both cases the evidence it is fragmentary but convincing.

If the deep state helped Trump win, it was by setting off their own trap. IMO complacency was a much bigger factor, as in Comey's case. Of course, he had a separate job. He had to find a way to clear Hillary that passed a sniff test. That is non-trivial because she really did violate the Espionage Act. That fundamental double standard is what swung the election.

Fourty-four has done his detection
Any fool can spot his selection
His fair haired girl
Is really a churl
But we'll clear her just before the election

J

 

[TheMeInTeam]

You are guilty by association though. Like that’s exactly the point.

"Guilt by association" is a trash concept. You need a lot more than some casual association to make any conclusions about tangible support or actual wrongdoing.

He’s not guilty of watching Fox News he is guilty of parroting their talking points without critical self analysis.

Not a lot of that going on here in general, so it's not clear why one poster in particular should be held to a higher standard.

 

[Gori the Grey]

f the deep state helped Trump win, it was by setting off their own trap

Hoist with their own petard, eh? Look, if your theory requires agents who are simultaneously super-subtle schemers and utter incompetents, it's probably time for a new theory.

Puppeteers into Power have crept,
Adroitly our laws overstepped.
Alas, for our land!
Will our country still stand?
Oh, no fears; they're completely inept.

 

[Estebonrober]

Hoist with their own petard, eh? Look, if your theory requires agents who are simultaneously super-subtle schemers and utter incompetents, it's probably time for a new theory.

Ahh but Trump is an evil trolling genius of effectiveness because he acts borderline senile and boorish while truly being a subtle schemer. So is it just more projection? Or is Trump just an idiot and these people see what they want instead of reality. I know which one I favor. . .Especially since all of his law breaking schemes are right in plain view and Republicans just insist on protecting him because it makes libs cry.

 

[Gori the Grey]

The Deep State favored Hillary, see?
Here's how tricksy those bastards can be:
To throw us off the trail,
The reopened her mail,
Gave her rival the presidency!