Proof of Pre-War Iraq Terror Links?

[PrinceOfLeigh]

If its so illegal what happened to the charges? There are none because the war was legal.

It matters not whether you consider that the war was legal or not, there is enough evidence for at least a trial. There hasn't been one simply because who is going to drag Bush/Blair & co to the dock?

Realpolitik not legality is the reason no charges have been brought against the Coallition.

 

[skadistic]

It matters not whether you consider that the war was legal or not, there is enough evidence for at least a trial. There hasn't been one simply because who is going to drag Bush/Blair & co to the dock?

Realpolitik not legality is the reason no charges have been brought against the Coallition.

So it didn'y have anything to do with what I wrote in the rest of the paragraph that you only quoted the first two sentences from????

 

[PrinceOfLeigh]

So it didn'y have anything to do with what I wrote in the rest of the paragraph that you only quoted the first two sentences from????

With all due respect, no it didn't.

The "best" legal mind in Britian, the Attorney General, didn't agree with your point of view either until he had his mind changed for him.

 

[ThERat]

Mob and skadistic, read my signature, I think it applies exactly for you 2 fellows (and many others).

I know you want to delude yourself that the Iraq war was justified when in fact you know it wasn't. You are now trying to pull any stunt possible to tell us that there was a reason. I am sure most of us are pretty tired of that. Quoting fox 'news' doesn't help to increase credibility.

This war was started on false accusations, lies and GWB's grand desire for revenge. A personal vendetta against a man who wanted to assassinate his father.
Whatever cruel things Saddam did, fact is that Saddam was keeping the religious zealots at bay in Iraq. US/UK have succeeded in lighting a fire, which they will have a hard time to extinguish. Good luck.

 

[skadistic]

With all due respect, no it didn't.

The "best" legal mind in Britian, the Attorney General, didn't agree with your point of view either until he had his mind changed for him.

So its a conspiracy by the luminaty and they are brainwashing the british AG to get thier way now!!!!

 

[PrinceOfLeigh]

So its a conspiracy by the luminaty and they are brainwashing the british AG to get thier way now!!!!

No matter how smileys you put around that statement it won't alter the fact that my original post is true. The AG had given the PM advice that the war would not be legal and a further resolution was required. He then visited his counterpart in the States and, within a matter of days, his advice had completely reversed.

Google it and you'll find many credible sources to tell you that it's true. I'd find you for them myself, but given the infintile response to my last post I'm not sure you are grasping the issue so I feel there is little point in wasting my time.

 

[MobBoss]

Mob and skadistic, read my signature, I think it applies exactly for you 2 fellows (and many others).

I think it applies to you as well.

I know you want to delude yourself that the Iraq war was justified when in fact you know it wasn't.

Please dont allude to what I think. I happen to think it was justified for many reasons.

You are now trying to pull any stunt possible to tell us that there was a reason. I am sure most of us are pretty tired of that. Quoting fox 'news' doesn't help to increase credibility.

Fox News isnt the only source carrying the story. BTW, it happens to be just as reliable as any other news outlet in my opinion, so big deal. BTW, its not us "pulling a stunt"....its the actual count and amount of WMD type warheads found thus far in the war. If you equate that as being a "stunt" then /shrug.

This war was started on false accusations, lies and GWB's grand desire for revenge. A personal vendetta against a man who wanted to assassinate his father.

Please see your sig for my reply. And by all means continue with your crazed chanting.....

 

[MobBoss]

Why the ? Don't you think, as all people in positions like his do, that he had someone advise him that what he was saying was true before he said it? I find it amusing that you think a one liner can dismiss what the Secretary General of the UN claims to be true. Be it with a smiley or not.

I will tell you why the . The UN has been proven to be powerless time and time again. Left to its own, Saddam would still be in power, and we still wouldnt know if he truly had WMD or not. I say again...14 YEARS and 17 RESOLUTIONS and still all they could do is wag their little finger at Saddam? Reason? Many of the friggin member states of the UN were dealing wth Iraq under the table. They were profiting off the organization.

As Kofi Annan's OWN SON was part of the scandal, I have no doubt that he is most likely implicated as well, he has just been better at hiding it than his son.

Thats why the . The UN is nothing more than a corrupt and powerless body of no real use to anyone at all. As Kofi is the leader of that mess, he is the number one man responsible for its present state. /big thumbs down for Kofi.

 

[ThERat]

Please see your sig for my reply. And by all means continue with your crazed chanting.....

well, no need to continue to argue for me here, if you think I am doing crazed chanting, telling you that the war was started based on lies (e.g. do you remember the great show put up in front of UN by Powell showing us the mobiles chemicals labs. If it wouldn't be so sad that many people have lost their lives unnecessarily since this war started, I would have laughed so much, it was hilarious) etc.

One thing I can thank GWB though. For the first time in my live I felt proud to be a German when the German government decided NOT to join the war. It took more than 30 years, but it finally happened and it was a great moment. Guess I wasn't the only one living in my dream world.

 

[PrinceOfLeigh]

I will tell you why the . The UN has been proven to be powerless time and time again. Left to its own, Saddam would still be in power, and we still wouldnt know if he truly had WMD or not. I say again...14 YEARS and 17 RESOLUTIONS and still all they could do is wag their little finger at Saddam? Reason? Many of the friggin member states of the UN were dealing wth Iraq under the table. They were profiting off the organization.

As Kofi Annan's OWN SON was part of the scandal, I have no doubt that he is most likely implicated as well, he has just been better at hiding it than his son.

Thats why the . The UN is nothing more than a corrupt and powerless body of no real use to anyone at all. As Kofi is the leader of that mess, he is the number one man responsible for its present state. /big thumbs down for Kofi.

None of that answers the question. Why do you think the opinion of the UN Secretary General, no doubt relying upon legal advise is worhty of being laughed at by you? I would suggest that he has a better grasp of the situation than yourself.

 

[MobBoss]

well, no need to continue to argue for me here, if you think I am doing crazed chanting, telling you that the war was started based on lies

Yup, that sure sounds to me like the same old crap we have been hearing for years. After a few months, it deserves the label of "crazed chanting".

One thing I can thank GWB though. For the first time in my live I felt proud to be a German when the German government decided NOT to join the war. It took more than 30 years, but it finally happened and it was a great moment. Guess I wasn't the only one living in my dream world.

Uh oh. German pride. Historically never a very good thing.

 

[skadistic]

well, no need to continue to argue for me here, if you think I am doing crazed chanting, telling you that the war was started based on lies (e.g. do you remember the great show put up in front of UN by Powell showing us the mobiles chemicals labs. If it wouldn't be so sad that many people have lost their lives unnecessarily since this war started, I would have laughed so much, it was hilarious) etc.

One thing I can thank GWB though. For the first time in my live I felt proud to be a German when the German government decided NOT to join the war. It took more than 30 years, but it finally happened and it was a great moment. Guess I wasn't the only one living in my dream world.

The German Gov. was one of those UN nation states in the pockets of Sadam thats why they didn't go to war. So yes be proud that your country took bribes and helped a despot that butchered his people thumb his nose at the rest of the world.

AS far as Powell there is a diffrence between being wrong and lieing.

 

[MobBoss]

None of that answers the question.

Sure it does. I basically hold Kofi Annan and by extension, most of the UN in contempt. Thus the at his comment about the war being illegal. Honestly, the man most likely has barely a clue what the hell is legal and what isnt. Perhaps he should have spent more time with his son teaching him what was legal and what wasnt....

Why do you think the opinion of the UN Secretary General, no doubt relying upon legal advise is worhty of being laughed at by you? I would suggest that he has a better grasp of the situation than yourself.

You can suggest all you want. If the man has no clue as to what his own corrupt son is doing IN THE UN, I think your argument about him rather weak. If he had any real honor, he would have resigned the minute the scandle about his son came out.

14 years. Saddam still in power. US takes over...Saddam gone. The USA gets stuff done while the UN stays busy running its little hamster wheel getting no where fast. It's powerless, corrupt and it is a joke.

 

[ThERat]

Uh oh. German pride. Historically never a very good thing.

Mob, I am not going to get personal, but it is better to watch out what one tells others here in this forum, which has the wish to be civilised.

 

[MobBoss]

Mob, I am not going to get personal, but it is better to watch out what one tells others here in this forum, which has the wish to be civilised.

Oh...so its ok to bash the USA continuously over its jingoistic national pride...but dont make fun of the Germans?

Gotcha.

 

[ThERat]

The German Gov. was one of those UN nation states in the pockets of Sadam thats why they didn't go to war. So yes be proud that your country took bribes and helped a despot that butchered his people thumb his nose at the rest of the world.

guess you conveniently forgot who actually sponsored Saddam for a very long time, as well as nurtured the Taliban to give them a great headstart...but that doesn't count I guess

AS far as Powell there is a diffrence between being wrong and lieing.

what are you trying to say. GWB is always wrong while other lie? Interesting logic

 

[MobBoss]

guess you conveniently forgot who actually sponsored Saddam for a very long time, as well as nurtured the Taliban to give them a great headstart...but that doesn't count I guess

Well, we also sponsored the Russians during WWII....did that make it wrong to do at the time?

what are you trying to say. GWB is always wrong while other lie? Interesting logic

He is saying that you lack the ability to tell when someone is purposefully lieing to mislead and when someone is unknowingly putting out incorrect information that they thought true. There is a difference if you didnt realize that.

Example: If I say the weather is going to be 80 degrees tomorrow based upon the what the weatherman says, am I lieing if it only hits 70? No...I was wrong, but not purposely lieing to you to mislead you.

 

[PrinceOfLeigh]

You can suggest all you want. If the man has no clue as to what his own corrupt son is doing IN THE UN, I think your argument about him rather weak. If he had any real honor, he would have resigned the minute the scandle about his son came out.

As I've already said, a couple of times now, Kofi will have been advised if the war was legal or not under the UN's resolutions by people at the UN. Therefore what bearing does his son and his son's activities have Kofi Annans ability to judge if the war was legal or not? None at all. Smear him all you want. I'm sure given his past you could smear George Bush in the same way but there is little point since he too is advised.

14 years. Saddam still in power. US takes over...Saddam gone. The USA gets stuff done while the UN stays busy running its little hamster wheel getting no where fast. It's powerless, corrupt and it is a joke.

The US get's stuff done? What 'stuff' has it got done? As far as I was aware the WMD's haven't been found and removing Saddam from power was never part of the UN peace deal. So, would you like to tell me what the US has done now which the UN hadn't done previously?

Sure it does. I basically hold Kofi Annan and by extension, most of the UN in contempt. Thus the at his comment about the war being illegal. Honestly, the man most likely has barely a clue what the hell is legal and what isnt. Perhaps he should have spent more time with his son teaching him what was legal and what wasnt....

Ahhh, now I understand. You laugh at him simply because you don't like the man. Forget that he is significantly more qualified to judge the legality of the war than yourself.

 

[Ovulator]

Why does this even matter? We invaded on the standpoint of him harboring WMDs. We can't find justifications for invading after the fact.

 

[ThERat]

He is saying that you lack the ability to tell when someone is purposefully lieing to mislead and when someone is unknowingly putting out incorrect information that they thought true. There is a difference if you didnt realize that.

I realized that already, I think it goes like this: whenever GWB and his neocon cronies lie it was 'unknowingly putting out incorrect information that they thought true' but whenever other do the same than it is 'purposefully lieing to mislead'.
Hmm, even I understand that, though I lack that ability...thanks for telling me...