Punching Nazis

[Mouthwash]

Yeah, but holding genocide as the sine qua non of an ideology makes it pretty ****ing evil in an objective sense.

Spencer was responding to someone who asked if he was against interracial relationships. He isn't in favor of killing anyone. I would say that he's as bad as your average 1960's segregationist, except his views are now literally the most unpopular ones that can be held in America.

 

[Honor]

Exterminating people seems to fall under that.

So for you, Vincour, is the definition of evil anything that causes mass violence against people? From what I have read of your posts, I think your definition may be a little broader. Note that by self, I mean your self.

You already brought up the reason to be anti-fascist. They are a threat to our survival.

And for you cardgame, is evil that which is a threat to your survival?

 

[KmDubya]

Why is it that only Nazis and fascists get tagged with being the 'ultimate evil' when communists killed more people by an order of magnitude? Is it because of racism due to Nazis being 'white'? Is it due to the cold and calculating way that they committed their evil acts while communists were more random in their slaughter? Do communists get a pass because you guys believe in communism and you yourself can't be evil so communists get to skate on that charge?

I'm not trying to defend Nazis just trying to figure out why only they get this degree of venom in their condemnation.

 

[Commodore]

Do communists get a pass because you guys believe in communism and you yourself can't be evil so communists get to skate on that charge?

This may be closest to the truth. I think the reason no one ever criticizes communist regimes for their atrocities to the extent they do Nazis and fascists is because they lie to themselves by telling themselves over and over again that those regimes "weren't really communist". So, in their minds, since those regimes weren't truly communist then the ideology of communism cannot be blamed for the atrocities committed by those regimes.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Why is it that only Nazis and fascists get tagged with being the 'ultimate evil' when communists killed more people by an order of magnitude? Is it because of racism due to Nazis being 'white'? Is it due to the cold and calculating way that they committed their evil acts while communists were more random in their slaughter? Do communists get a pass because you guys believe in communism and you yourself can't be evil so communists get to skate on that charge?

I'm not trying to defend Nazis just trying to figure out why only they get this degree of venom in their condemnation.

Yes, it would be better to say "totalitarians" so that it would cover nationalists who claim to be socialists, single party state capitalists that claim to be democratic communists, straight up throwback monarchists...the whole evil crowd. But reality is that in the current day USA what we really have to confront from the totalitarian crowd is most similar to the classic fascist rather than any other sort of totalitarian, so that does draw more attention to them. I don't think state capitalism or monarchy is about to break loose, but Bannon is behind the president's chair and he is a straight up cartoon figure fascist right out of the 1940s.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

This may be closest to the truth. I think the reason no one ever criticizes communist regimes for their atrocities to the extent they do Nazis and fascists is because they lie to themselves by telling themselves over and over again that those regimes "weren't really communist". So, in their minds, since those regimes weren't truly communist then the ideology of communism cannot be blamed for the atrocities committed by those regimes.

They weren't democracies either, so maybe we should blame their atrocities on the ideology of democracy. Wait! They weren't space aliens either, so maybe we could blame all the atrocities on the ideology of space aliens!

 

[Commodore]

They weren't democracies either, so maybe we should blame their atrocities on the ideology of democracy. Wait! They weren't space aliens either, so maybe we could blame all the atrocities on the ideology of space aliens!

This post makes absolutely no sense in the context of the post you were responding to. Go home Tim, you're drunk.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

This post makes absolutely no sense in the context of the post you were responding to. Go home Tim, you're drunk.

If you can't follow that post I have to think you're the one who is drunk.

Let me spell it out r e a l s l o w, just for you...

Ah, never mind, that would just bore the people with their brains working. Figure it out for yourself when you get sober.

 

[Commodore]

If you can't follow that post I have to think you're the one who is drunk.

Let me spell it out r e a l s l o w, just for you...

Ah, never mind, that would just bore the people with their brains working. Figure it out for yourself when you get sober.

And yet again you refuse to admit that you misread what was written and made a comment that had nothing to do with what was said and try to back out of it by acting like you are above it all. Your act is getting old and predictable Tim. There's no shame in admitting you made a mistake and said something stupid. We all do it from time to time.

 

[Honor]

This may be closest to the truth. I think the reason no one ever criticizes communist regimes for their atrocities to the extent they do Nazis and fascists is because they lie to themselves by telling themselves over and over again that those regimes "weren't really communist". So, in their minds, since those regimes weren't truly communist then the ideology of communism cannot be blamed for the atrocities committed by those regimes.

The same is true for capitalist societies. For instance, the use of the atom bomb in two Japanese cities resulted in the deaths of 130,000 to 230,000 people, but Americans don't usually consider themselves evil because of it. Perspective, and who sets the narrative are what determines the object of our general rhetoric.

Depending on your perspective, you will find that evil can exist within all societies and all systems, because humans make up those entities.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

And yet again you refuse to admit that you misread what was written and made a comment that had nothing to do with what was said and try to back out of it by acting like you are above it all. Your act is getting old and predictable Tim. There's no shame in admitting you made a mistake and said something stupid. We all do it from time to time.

Quick, show of hands...

Who else is too stupid to recognize the parallel between "well, they aren't communists, but let's blame their behavior on communism" and "well, they aren't space aliens, but let's blame their behavior on space alienism"?

You seem to say stupid things mostly when you get that "it's Tim, must attack him" rage thing going, so maybe you should just not try to read my posts.

 

[cardgame]

Why is it that only Nazis and fascists get tagged with being the 'ultimate evil' when communists killed more people by an order of magnitude? Is it because of racism due to Nazis being 'white'? Is it due to the cold and calculating way that they committed their evil acts while communists were more random in their slaughter? Do communists get a pass because you guys believe in communism and you yourself can't be evil so communists get to skate on that charge?

I'm not trying to defend Nazis just trying to figure out why only they get this degree of venom in their condemnation.

Tim's got it right on this one, we aren't actually in any danger from communism or monarchs in the U.S. in 2017. But real authoritarians are in the seat of power. Even assuming the potential threat is equal between commies and fascists, the actual threat level is infinitely in favor of the fascists at this point in time, so being anti-communist is simply a wasted effort.

 

[Commodore]

Who else is too stupid to recognize the parallel between "well, they aren't communists, but let's blame their behavior on communism" and "well, they aren't space aliens, but let's blame their behavior on space alienism"?

See, this is where you misread my post. Those regimes were communist. It is those that try to defend those regimes that are deluding themselves by saying they aren't communists so they can maintain the "purity" and "righteousness" of their ideology without having to acknowledge that their ideology has been responsible for more deaths than any other ideology in recorded history.

The key difference between what I said and what you said is that those regimes all claimed to be communist or follow some offshoot of communism, therefore we most certainly can blame the ideology of communism for atrocities committed by those regimes. Those regimes did not claim to be democratic nor did they claim to be space aliens, so your snarky little rebuttal doesn't really hold up.

You seem to say stupid things mostly when you get that "it's Tim, must attack him" rage thing going, so maybe you should just not try to read my posts.

And now you are completely disconnected from reality right here. My initial post on the matter was a response to KmDubya. You apparently took issue with it and launched into a snarky little attack and were so focused on trying to sound clever that you didn't stop to check that your comment actually made sense.

 

[cardgame]

The United Soviet SOCIALIST Republics were about as communist as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic.

 

[Commodore]

The United Soviet SOCIALIST Republics were about as communist as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic.

The name of the nation has nothing to do with the regime that rules it. Each citizen was required to be a member of the Communist Party if they wanted to hold any kind of government office, which makes the regime that governed the USSR a communist regime.

 

[W|M]

The name of the party doesn't dictate its own ideology either. The Communist Party USA, as an example, is clearly liberal, so much so that it endorsed Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries last year, even though the only other candidate was a self-proclaimed ''socialist''

 

[Hygro]

See, this is where you misread my post. Those regimes were communist. It is those that try to defend those regimes that are deluding themselves by saying they aren't communists so they can maintain the "purity" and "righteousness" of their ideology without having to acknowledge that their ideology has been responsible for more deaths than any other ideology in recorded history.

I guess it's like, what part of the ideology that killed all the people is the same with this theoretical communism and those who were pursuing it as a state policy?

 

[timtofly]

Define "lawless."

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy. Sounds Fascist to me. Isolationist at best. When it comes to humanity though, only your friends (people you trust) stab you in the back.

 

[aelf]

The name of the nation has nothing to do with the regime that rules it. Each citizen was required to be a member of the Communist Party if they wanted to hold any kind of government office, which makes the regime that governed the USSR a communist regime.

I bet you're one of those guys who think the Nazis are socialist because National Socialist.

 

[Lexicus]

I'd like to reiterate that I have no problems at all with punching tankies, either. @Traitorfish said this pages and pages ago and we're still on this Communist canard.