Punching Nazis

[Hehehe]

It always amazes me when someone is anti-violence..."OMG!!!! You can't PUNCH someone!!!!" but when you say "hey, how about if we hire a surrogate to totally ruin their life?" they are totally down with that. It's like they have no appreciation of the comparative levels of violence involved there and just want to claim their hands are somehow clean.

It's not so much about "hiring a thug" as a proxy, it's that I have no faith in the judgement calls made by people such as yourself. I don't mean this as a personal attack, but I think that quotes such as this one are enough evidence that you should not be allowed to be the judge, jury and executioner at the same time:

By the way, don't hold me to the Lexicus standard. I'm a violent thug and happy to acknowledge it.

Do I even need to explain why we have a justice system? Why we have a court of law? Why we don't just let people take justice into their own hands and do what they please with it?

 

[aelf]

If "safe space" means not getting punched, then I don't think that the request is entirely unreasonable. If, however, a safe space means that ideas aren't allowed to be criticized, then my answer to that is an impolite no.

Are you a Nazi? If not, why worry about getting punched in the context of this thread?

But right wingers do love safe spaces. Look at those in this thread who are constantly whining about how talking about punching Nazis shouldn't be allowed.

 

[Hehehe]

Are you a Nazi? If not, why worry about getting punched in the context of this thread?

But right wingers do love safe spaces. Look at those in this thread who are constantly whining about how talking about punching Nazis shouldn't be allowed.

Are you Jewish? If not, why worry about Jews getting holocausted? Look at those in this thread who are constantly whining about how genocide shouldn't be allowed.

I apologize for the offensively worded reductio ad absurdum, but I do believe that it is a valid example to expose the flawed double-think. Getting back on the original topic, yes, I do worry. I'm worried about how the left seems to be spiraling into madness. As the left keeps losing the war of ideas, it seems like a lot of leftists are taking the approach where they try to shame people into compliance by calling them names. And now that it doesn't seem to be working anymore, it seems like they will only escalate in doing what they're doing. If calling them racist doesn't work, just call them a nazi. Just slap that label on anyone who disagrees, no need to check what their views are, no need to have any kind of intelligent conversation. And now a large proportion of them also seem to take the stance that once you slap a label on them, then political violence is completely justified. This ever increasing tendency to slap labels on people in order to win an argument, combined with inclination towards political violence is, in my opinion, a very worrying trend.

I've taken a position against immigration. Apparently, because of this, some people on the other side of the argument can jump from A to B, and deduct that I am, apparently, secretly a racist. Now I have to ask myself, do racists also get punched? If one can jump from A to B and label me a racist, can they also jump from B to C, and call me a nazi? Do I then get punched? And what if I, dear lord, take up a position against political violence? Is that then definitive proof that I am, in fact, a fascist? You may disagree with my views on immigration, but am I not allowed to at least defend them in an open conversation? Mind you, apparently some 55% of Europeans seem to share my views. Is this not something that we are allowed to discuss?

I realize that there are a lot of intelligent leftists out there, but it seems to me as if there is this sizable fringe of lefties who are going absolutely insane. To me this like a worrying trend; personally I have no inclinations towards violence. I don't enjoy being the target of violence and I do not enjoy inflicting it on others.

 

[aelf]

Yeah, punching Nazis is like killing six million Jews. As if the comparison between punching a black person and punching a Nazi made earlier in this thread (by another anti-immigration poster, incidentally) weren't absurd enough.

If you use this kind of ridiculous reasoning, be prepared to be ridiculed. Yeah, you'll whine and gripe that people aren't willing to meet you intellectually in the middle, but that's what a safe space is for - so that you can run there and find affirming voices instead of disagreement and ridicule. Leave us here to our Nazi-punching "madness".

 

[W|M]

I would support punching Nazis. However, to presume everyone with '88' in their username is a Nazi, would make you just as prejudice as the Nazis themselves.

88 literally stands for ''Heil Hitler''

 

[Hehehe]

Yeah, punching Nazis is like killing six million Jews. As if the comparison between punching a black person and punching a Nazi made earlier in this thread (by another anti-immigration poster, incidentally) weren't absurd enough.

Obviously they are not moral equivalents, but the logic there is the same. Why should I worry about violence against nazis, unless I am one of them? Why should you worry about violence against Jewish people, unless you are one of them? Why should you worry about violence against homosexuals, unless you are one of them? It's as if concepts, such as a commitment to basic decency, are completely incomprehensible.

If you use this kind of ridiculous reasoning, be prepared to be ridiculed. Yeah, you'll whine and gripe that people aren't willing to meet you intellectually in the middle, but that's what a safe space is for - so that you can run there and find affirming voices instead of disagreement and ridicule. Leave us here to our Nazi-punching "madness".

Wait, what? You both "ridicule" me and accuse me of wanting safe spaces, at the same time? I came to this thread precisely because it is not a "safe space", at least not for me. Obviously there are plenty of people who disagree with me here, and I am engaging them in an honest conversation. You are free to challenge my ideas. If anything, it seems to me that it is you who wants a safe space, judging by the way you apparently want me to leave.

 

[Berzerker]

Doing a ''BUT OTHER PEOPLE DIED TOO'' excuse during Holocaust Memorial day for one, which for some reason only Nazis seem to do

gentile lives matter

 

[Yeekim]

The US dissolving into constituent states is comparable to the dissolution of the USSR into constituent republics, which I thought pretty much every Estonian considered to be a great outcome.

Oh, I understand. Fair enough.
I don't think it makes me a hypocrite though, since my original parallel wasn't meant to criticize, but merely to point out rather delicious irony that at the end you want similar things - i.e. to (preferably peacefully) get rid of each other.

 

[Bamspeedy]

88 literally stands for ''Heil Hitler''

What if someone was born in 1988? What if they graduated in 1988? What if they wore #88 in a team sport?

 

[Commodore]

What if someone was born in 1988? What if they graduated in 1988? What if they wore #88 in a team sport?

Nope, can't be. Anyone with an 88 in their username is 100% a Nazi, possibly Hitler reborn, and deserves to be physically assaulted and have their house burned down.

 

[Civinator]

88 literally stands for ''Heil Hitler''

Yes. the letter "H" is the 8th letter in the alphabet. 88 is the code for HH (and a famous German weapon of WW II). If that person is a Nazi will soon become evident when speaking or writing.

 

[Flying Pig]

Nope, can't be. Anyone with an 88 in their username is 100% a Nazi, possibly Hitler reborn, and deserves to be physically assaulted and have their house burned down.

Moderator Action: Even in jest, let's do away with this sort of thing. Please remember that the rules do not consider sarcasm, 'banter', irony and so forth to be excuses. You are held to account for what you post, not for how you intended it to be read.

 

[caketastydelish]

What if someone was born in 1988? What if they graduated in 1988? What if they wore #88 in a team sport?

This. Also, my aunt (and extremely liberal, anti-Nazi, anti-prejudice person) has 88 in her email address. I asked her why she chose 88 "I just thought the number sounded cool".

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Statement of my position in order to be better known by my compatriots, and to get to better know them.

Fair enough. But you neither wrote the OP nor the post I quoted, so...

 

[Farm Boy]

I made it almost 30 years before our better informed on all things Nazi posters on civfanatics informed me "88" was a numerology code-knock for Nazis.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Also: Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Roman Empire used white slaves. Although I don't think it happened during America's slavery.

America is all that counts.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

It always amazes me when someone is anti-violence..."OMG!!!! You can't PUNCH someone!!!!" but when you say "hey, how about if we hire a surrogate to totally ruin their life?" they are totally down with that. It's like they have no appreciation of the comparative levels of violence involved there and just want to claim their hands are somehow clean.

The key point of his statment wasn't who takes the action, but when that action is warranted. You focused in on the wrong part.

 

[caketastydelish]

America is all that counts.

Well America is much more recent, and thus much more relevant to our times. So what happened 200 years ago is more directly connected to today, than 2000 years ago.
That said, it is just factually incorrect to say there were never white slaves. In fact, there were many white slaves. It just happened a very long time ago.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Yeah, punching Nazis is like killing six million Jews. As if the comparison between punching a black person and punching a Nazi made earlier in this thread (by another anti-immigration poster, incidentally) weren't absurd enough.

I think this demonstrates your ideological blinkers in action. As far as I recall, I don't think I've ever even expressed any strong opinions on immigration, either way, because it isn't an issue that particularly concerns me. In the Brexit thread, I may well have defended the stance that not all Leave voters are anti-immigration (me being a case in point), but other than that I don't particularly recall talking about it. Feel free to point me to some examples that refute this of course, but to me this just looks like you making assumptions again.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

88 literally stands for ''Heil Hitler''

Or the Seoul Olympics. Or a reference to Back to the Future. Or perhaps a poster who just happens to be around 28 or 29 years old.