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Sort of a delayed rant, because my last final was on Friday, but still...

I'm a grad student in atmospheric science (meteorology+climatology+etc), having done my undergrad in physics. It's my second semester, and I just finished Atmospheric Dynamics, which is about the fluid dynamics of the atmosphere, as well as Atmospheric Chemistry.

The symbols for variables are really confusing. p (pressure) and ρ (density) occur in the same equation all the time. One example is that the pressure gradient force, which makes the wind blow, is 1/ρ ∂p/∂x (likewise for y, z). Derivatives are all pronounced d-something-d-variable, but they can be D/Dx (material derivative, aka total derivative following wind flow), d/dx (total derivative), or ∂/∂x (partial derivative, and local derivative i.e. change in something at a specific location, not following the wind). I use x as the variable here but it could easily be any of the other dimensions, or any of the other scalar variables like pressure, temperature or density. Oh and let's not forget R, which can be either the universal gas constant 8.314 J/(mol*K) we all know and love, or the specific gas constant which is the real R divided by the molar mass of whatever fluid or mixture thereof you're dealing with, e.g. R = 287 J/(kg*K) for air. Like it would be so much more complicated to just put the molar mass M in the goddamn equation where it belongs (R(specific) --> R/M) where R is only the universal gas constant! I missed a bunch of points on my atoms. chem. midterm for this. :mad:

Of course there's also the fact that I didn't have any fluid mechanics as an undergrad - it wasn't even offered at the good but small college I went to. Turns out it's really hard. There are lots of crazy differential equations, especially when you're dealing with an enormous, rotating, compressible system like the atmosphere. Even with many simplifying assumptions like pretending that the atmosphere is actually incompressible as if it were the ocean, most of the problems start out sounding reasonable, midway through go something like "Now we have five partial differential equations in five unknowns. We can reduce them to one [really absurd] differential equation in one unknown if we make a bunch more simplifying assumptions..." and then you assume a solution of the form (new variable that we made up to deal with this equation) = Ae^(i*(other stuff)), and finally some general but very simplified trait of weather systems pops out. Did I mention that my last diff eq class was 6 or 7 years ago, and I wasn't ever really very good at it?

That said it's all still really cool, and the atmosphere is definitely one of the most complex systems you can still approach in a quantitative way, with the help of lots of computing power. Contrast biology, for instance, which is complex enough that math isn't all that useful as a tool for most applications. If I keep going it will turn into a rave so I'll stop here.
 
I think it was the fluid dynamics course that made me dislike/hate physics (hate is a bit of a strong word but)
 
Hooray for History! No maths, and most things can be excused with "well, humans are stupid, anyway, sooo".
 
Antilogic is getting tired of wanting to comment on a bunch of stuff and thus holding off posting in a thread only to see more stuff get posted in a thread, creating a vicious circle of inaction.

So I'm going back to tiny posts.
 
all fluids stuff is pure wizardry. Sometimes to a simpleton like me it's wizardry that can be applied though. I forget but I think I had some homeworks I was supposed to do once with Brigg's equations for Gaussian plume [wiki confirms this stuff exists]---but more-so just as inputs to a code rather than me knowing anything of it

I was funny to me the more you "understand" about fluids (or two phase flow heat transfer in the case I experienced more) the more it became "eh this correlation is probably like only at most 5% inaccurate for <these conditions of Re, Nu, St> compared to this other one which could be like 7% inaccurate so it's pretty good"

good on ya for understanding stuff than being a monkey that would throw stuff into a code like I would be lol

on side note can vouch that empirical stuff is the bomb though. Crane Technical Paper 410 is pretty legit if anyone ever goes into flow of fluids through valves, fittings, and pipes which if I remember right is just a compilation of all the wizardry stuff. Replace fancy schmancy possibly uncertain CFD vs. some easy to read experimental charts and tables. Anyone reading this that can get their company to go cover costs of some professional materials go ahead get this lol [probably mech e's or chem e's I assume]--I did.
 
I dislike calculations and history.
 
My 1 week holiday is now over and soon I must go back to work :(
 
Overtime is nice, but leaves me too tired to actually do anything :groucho: on the weekend :(
 
It's mid-December in the northern hemisphere. I should not need a fan to keep cool. It's 64F/18C here, probably warmer in my room even with the cooling on and the window open, plus there's my hair.

Also, I've been itching to do some sparring with a spear or staff and there are no HEMA places here that do that, it would seem. Just Spanish fencing. Ugh. For some reason, one-handed swords bore me.
 
all fluids stuff is pure wizardry. Sometimes to a simpleton like me it's wizardry that can be applied though. I forget but I think I had some homeworks I was supposed to do once with Brigg's equations for Gaussian plume [wiki confirms this stuff exists]---but more-so just as inputs to a code rather than me knowing anything of it

I was funny to me the more you "understand" about fluids (or two phase flow heat transfer in the case I experienced more) the more it became "eh this correlation is probably like only at most 5% inaccurate for <these conditions of Re, Nu, St> compared to this other one which could be like 7% inaccurate so it's pretty good"

good on ya for understanding stuff than being a monkey that would throw stuff into a code like I would be lol

on side note can vouch that empirical stuff is the bomb though. Crane Technical Paper 410 is pretty legit if anyone ever goes into flow of fluids through valves, fittings, and pipes which if I remember right is just a compilation of all the wizardry stuff. Replace fancy schmancy possibly uncertain CFD vs. some easy to read experimental charts and tables. Anyone reading this that can get their company to go cover costs of some professional materials go ahead get this lol [probably mech e's or chem e's I assume]--I did.
I'm totally just throwing stuff into the computer from now on. The course was all pencil-and-paper, but I think it mostly functions to show people why we should just let the computers do the real work. It's funny to me how differential equations are really difficult (sometimes impossible) to solve analytically in all but the simplest cases, but as long as you're willing to do it numerically and have a computer, most of them can be solved to very high precision and they become much more useful. Definitely an advantage our computer overlords have over us. :borg:
 
I took a fluid mechanics undergraduate course last year.

It was really interesting. But the maths was quite hard. And I didn't give it the attention it deserved.

Nowhere near as bad as topology though. The effects of which seem to have permanently fried my brain.
 
Ah. But, you see, in mid-December in the Southern Hemisphere you really do need a fan to keep cool. And you'd expect to need it.

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Don't blame me for being pedantic, btw. It wasn't me who started the trend.


Unless you're up a mountain or in Antarctica, of course.

Hmm. I've not really thought this through, have I?
 
Well, you can always use air conditioning instead of a fan.
 
Don't air-conditioning units inevitably include fans?

Or maybe you've got one of those fancy Dyson gizmos.

Or a slave waving a large leaf about.
 
Or maybe you can realise global warming is a serious problem and despair about it or whatever

I'm not joking
 
It is a serious problem, you're right.

But just not joking about it won't fix it.
 
And I could still use some slave-girls fanning me&#8230;
 
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