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They killed off Clippy a few years ago.
Technically to a Roman this would be thread one-from-ninety. It's still less quirky than the French saying that 96 is ‘four twenties and ten and six’ so I'll keep it.
It means ‘the Paris of Java’ in Dutch*, which I thought was a reference to modernity and Westerness so I looked it up on Wikipedia and got this:
The Dutch first established tea plantations around the mountains in the 18th century, and a road was constructed to connect the plantation area to the colonial capital Batavia (180 kilometres (112 miles) to the northwest). In the early 20th century the Dutch inhabitants of Bandung demanded the establishment of a municipality (gemeente), which was granted in 1906, and Bandung gradually developed into a resort city for plantation owners. Luxurious hotels, restaurants, cafés, and European boutiques were opened, leading the city to be nicknamed Parijs van Java (Dutch: "The Paris of Java").
*btw the Dutch say Parijs, yes I did study a bit of Dutch once upon a time
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I guess I could see that interpretation with "when you can." But to me that requires being uncharitable.
I also interpreted it as having an implicit "if you want to" after the when you can and that he was trying to just say that people tend to want some kinds of touching and he was agreeing with hobbs on being sad that handshakes and hugs weren't a thing right now, but I also get what others are saying in that it was, in context, not really reading the room and could have been taken in a less charitable way. I had the charitable interpretation because I've seen Birdjaguar post a bunch and I know he's well-meaning.
As she said, there's heavy social expectations that you do shake hands even if you don't want to, and pressure to conform. It's not as simple as just saying "stand up for yourself" when a lifetime of ingrained societal messages are telling you to just put aside your discomfort and do what you're told to do.
Speaking for myself: I, like most autistic people, am a bit touch-sensitive, and I'm nearly always kind of uncomfortable with making physical contact with someone I don't know well (or really, even being physically too close to someone even if I'm not actually touching them, and the pandemic has only made me feel that even more strongly). It's not that I don't like being touched, I absolutely do like hugs and other forms of physical contact, but only after I get to know someone well enough to feel comfortable with it. At the very least I need someone I'm not close to to ask before touching me and give me an opportunity to respond to that.
So, yeah, I don't really want to have to expect physical contact from strangers, and I don't like it at all when someone pats me on the shoulder/back/head (or anywhere else, but that's where I'd typically get patted) or hugs me when we're not that close and they didn't really ask me before doing it, but some touchier people will do things like that, and most of the time I feel unable to do anything about it because some mild touching is just common and socially expected.
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You know I'm not even going to ask
EDIT: https://www.vice.com/en/article/xyj55a/microsoft-clippy-creator-interview-kevin-atteberry
touch starvation is a very real thing.
Interesting, I didn't know.
Nobody said it's easy.
But if you really don't want it... I guess you'll manage?
You can't say that you don't want X, but then yourself not do something about it.
This is also not exactly an average situation, right?
I would also expect now (but my expectations might be warped) that many people will know that autistic people don't like touching. Saying something about it should then resolve most situations, no?
(I'm also a relatively touch-happy person, but wouldn't get myself the idea to touch someone who looks... yeah, I guess it's possible to say "unusual". I had an autistic colleague sitting on the office next to me for 3 years. Wouldn't have gotten the idea to hug him at all)
Nobody said it's easy.
But if you really don't want it... I guess you'll manage?
You can't say that you don't want X, but then yourself not do something about it
.This is also not exactly an average situation, right?
I would also expect now (but my expectations might be warped) that many people will know that autistic people don't like touching. Saying something about it should then resolve most situations, no?
(I'm also a relatively touch-happy person, but wouldn't get myself the idea to touch someone who looks... yeah, I guess it's possible to say "unusual". I had an autistic colleague sitting on the office next to me for 3 years. Wouldn't have gotten the idea to hug him at all)
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Yes. Although to be honest, a lot of people claim being touch-starved really quickly, enough so that the term is cheapened. I've had acquaintances tell me that they're "so touch-starved" because they haven't had sex in three months. I mean, c'mon. Really?
Real touch starvation is hell. It becomes sinister, too, as you stop noticing it after a while. Until you get a non-clinical or accidental touch, and the walls come crumbling down immediately. Years without intimate physical contact are outright harmful to your longevity and well-being.
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Small rant: PayPal is increasing its currency conversion fee to 4%.
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The practice of the majority shouldn't be used as a standard behavior where anything that strayed away from such deemed to be "weird", that's a form of social pressure that forced people to conform indirectly, however I also noted that asking people not to expect a cultural practice that already observed by the majority also another form of forced conformity, in that case I agree with you J, but people should have the right to be different without being discriminated or socially punished.
We are living in different time right now, where space and time can be folded to zero that result in a total globalized community. I might be one day become a minority in Germany, but perhaps you might be one day become a minority in Indonesia as an expat perhaps, if people strayed away and looking at me weird in Germany because of me being different, it would be a soft discrimination in a way, it would be equally unfair if you get isolated and look weird upon in Indonesia because of your unique cultural traits and upbringing.
In the end we must accept and get used to differences, because that's much easier and logical, because difference is not un-usual and it should already be expected, however the un-usual thing is a complete homogenized society (total assimilation) during this globalized era.
We are living in different time right now, where space and time can be folded to zero that result in a total globalized community. I might be one day become a minority in Germany, but perhaps you might be one day become a minority in Indonesia as an expat perhaps, if people strayed away and looking at me weird in Germany because of me being different, it would be a soft discrimination in a way, it would be equally unfair if you get isolated and look weird upon in Indonesia because of your unique cultural traits and upbringing.
In the end we must accept and get used to differences, because that's much easier and logical, because difference is not un-usual and it should already be expected, however the un-usual thing is a complete homogenized society (total assimilation) during this globalized era.
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How about replacing it with punching each other in the face?
Oh! I didn't know you're autistic.
This is nothing new. the need is built into us. The fact that it is abused is also nothing new. People tend to abuse most good things for selfish reasons. Don't like spinach, don't eat it.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hide-and-seek/201706/touch-hunger
@MaryKB The fact that touch or any other necessary and pleasurable activity can be abused does not diminish the value of the activity for the rest of us.
And at this point I don't even know how many decades it's been since I was last touched.
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Decades? Dang, I believe any decent cat can get you the fix. They are touchy, lovely, purry, fluffy, perhaps they are even better company than some human you know.
But you need to learn when your touch is not welcome because if you are oblivious to that they can become very mean to you.
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Sorry Cutlass.. Awful jokes on my part..
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Everything and everyone sucks, is crap, and needs to stay the hell away from me.
Okay, things aren’t that dire for me at the moment but I would say that I’m kind of at a low tolerance with some people. Today’s looking to be one of those days.
I’m going to do something productive for myself. Even if I don’t get a sense of accomplishment from it, it’ll still be something I won’t have to do later.
Okay, things aren’t that dire for me at the moment but I would say that I’m kind of at a low tolerance with some people. Today’s looking to be one of those days.
I’m going to do something productive for myself. Even if I don’t get a sense of accomplishment from it, it’ll still be something I won’t have to do later.
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