Random thoughts 1: Just Sayin'

[Hygro]

wheres the drinking thread

 

[shadowplay]

Why do psychologists get the title "Dr." in front of their name, despite not practicing medicine in anyway? Dentists at least have prescription pads and some medical training.

 

[Hrothbern]

Why do psychologists get the title "Dr." in front of their name, despite not practicing medicine in anyway? Dentists at least have prescription pads and some medical training.

Dr for Doctor means teacher.

It started as title for early Christians that could teach the bible.
It was later used for people having done their doctorate at university (PhD).
Meanwhile it is also used in some countries for people that did not do their doctorate, but have a medical profession of a certain level

If a psychologist did his doctorate, he is entitled to use Dr

 

[Arakhor]

Whereas surgeons in the UK train for years to get their MD and then train even more to have the privilege not to use Dr in front of their names.

 

[shadowplay]

Dr for Doctor means teacher.

It started as title for early Christians that could teach the bible.
It was later used for people having done their doctorate at university (PhD).
Meanwhile it is also used in some countries for people that did not do their doctorate, but have a medical profession of a certain level

If a psychologist did his doctorate, he is entitled to use Dr

That doesn't really answer my question. Most people with doctorates don't get to use the title of "Dr." outside of the scope of their practice. What makes psychologists different?

 

[Hrothbern]

That doesn't really answer my question. Most people with doctorates don't get to use the title of "Dr." outside of the scope of their practice. What makes psychologists different?

I do not understand
If you have done your doctorate, you are entitled to the title Dr.
Whether you use that title, or only for certain studies, is a combination of country tradition, company/institute tradition and personal preference.

Countries differ greatly in that respect.
In Italy you are entitled to use Dottore when you have done (only) your bachelor.
In UK most surgeons prefer Mr instead of Dr once they are entitled to Mr, because in history there were barber surgeons entitled to Dr, yet having not necessarily done a study.

What country do you talk about.

 

[shadowplay]

In Anglo/American societies. If you have a doctorate in theology, for example, you don't get the title of "Dr." in front of your name at all times, only at times when it's relevant within your particular area of expertise. Whereas medical doctors and dentists, as well as psychologists for some reason, carry the title of "Dr." in front of their names at all times, in place of "Mr."

I might not be articulating myself well here.

 

[Hrothbern]

In Anglo/American societies. If you have a doctorate in theology, for example, you don't get the title of "Dr." in front of your name at all times, only at times when it's relevant within your particular area of expertise. Whereas medical doctors and dentists, as well as psychologists for some reason, carry the title of "Dr." in front of their names at all times, in place of "Mr."

I might not be articulating myself well here.

Ahhh, now I understand

Because of Dr Phil ?

More serious:
IDK
I can speculate that whereas medical doctors are for the health of our body, psychological doctors are for the health of our mind.
It is anyway in my country not the custom for a psychologist to use his title unless really relevant.

 

[Arakhor]

If you have a doctorate in theology, for example, you don't get the title of "Dr." in front of your name at all times, only at times when it's relevant within your particular area of expertise.

That's presumably because people with non-medical doctorates don't bother to style themselves as Dr. So & So, unless it's actually relevant. I didn't know that a family friend had a PhD until it came up in conversation once, whereas two former Archbishops of Canterbury, George Carey and Rowan Williams, were both customarily referred to as Dr. due to their honourary doctorates in divinity.

 

[Takhisis]

I don't think we have one…

 

[sophie]

Because "Doctor" and "Dr." as a formal title have a specific semantic meaning within the English language divorced of its original etymological meaning: i.e. Doctor in English = medical doctor in 99% of cases. The only other places where having a Doctoral degree are applicable or relevant are in academia and STEM fields, and in both contexts you're dealing with fields where basically everybody has a doctorate so referring to yourself formally as Dr. would be as redundant as listing your name as John Smith, BA would be in a white collar workplace. It just comes across as pretentious and like you're trying to cover up for some insecurity or another. You're still likely to see people with PhDs to be referred to as Dr. X in formal situations (like when being introduced formally or in introductions in letters in which the interlocutors are not on familiar terms), assuming a more prestigious title (e.g. Professor) doesn't apply, but you'll almost never see a Ph.D. refer to themselves as "Doctor" unless they are licensed medical professionals, and if you do see someone doing so, it should be setting off some lowkey alarm bells.

 

[Takhisis]

tl;dr Ross Geller is not that kind of doctor.

 

[Synobun]

tl;dr Ross Geller is not that kind of doctor.

MY sandwich?!?!

I see PhD folks refer to themselves as doctor all the time. All of them are insufferable.

They probably find me insufferable too.

 

[warpus]

You are only legally entitled to its use in formal settings. In all other ways people can just call you non-doctor mcnondoctorface

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I don't doubt it. That's a bit above my pay grade. I've never been somewhere posh enough for someone to carry my things for me.

I have. But since I'm not into tipping for most things (I did tip the pizza guy tonight), I just told them I'd carry my own bags, thanks. Or if several people in my convention group all arrived at the hotel at the same time, we just snagged a luggage trolley for our own use (of course we promised to bring it back when done).

That doesn't really answer my question. Most people with doctorates don't get to use the title of "Dr." outside of the scope of their practice. What makes psychologists different?

They're arrogant?

I've known people with doctorates who insisted on being addressed as "Dr." even though their doctorates had nothing to do with medicine or psychology or psychiatry. Mind you, I've also known people with doctorates (college instructors) who just waved it all aside and told us to call them by their first names.

In UK most surgeons prefer Mr instead of Dr once they are entitled to Mr, because in history there were barber surgeons entitled to Dr, yet having not necessarily done a study.

Heh, it was definitely the opposite with one of my history instructors in college. The first day of class (medieval history that soon went offtopic about as fast as the average religion/politics thread does here), the instructor stood in front of the class and informed us, "I prefer to be addressed as Dr. Tobias. I will answer to 'John' because that's my name. But do not ever refer to me as 'Mr. Tobias.'"

On the other hand, my other history instructor that year (Greek & Roman history) didn't wave his doctorate in our faces. Sure, most of us called him "Dr. Martens". He said it would be okay if anyone wanted to call him "Jim." The friend with whom I was taking the class was about 10 years older than me, and thought one was too formal and the other not formal enough. So she started calling him "Dr. Jim". Some of the other students laughed at her, but he shushed them and said that would be fine.

(His class was one of the most fun ones I've ever taken, second only to physical geography . And he's the one who got me hooked on Lindsey Davis' historical murder mystery series about the 1st-century private detective Marcus Didius Falco.)

In Anglo/American societies. If you have a doctorate in theology, for example, you don't get the title of "Dr." in front of your name at all times, only at times when it's relevant within your particular area of expertise. Whereas medical doctors and dentists, as well as psychologists for some reason, carry the title of "Dr." in front of their names at all times, in place of "Mr."

Hmm. So this means that everyone participating in the "Ask a Theologian" threads should have been addressing the OP as "Dr. Plotinus" and just plain Plotinus in all other threads.

You'd all better go rectify that oversight immediately.

 

[Lohrenswald]

It's on OT I reckon

 

[Arakhor]

(His class was one of the most fun ones I've ever taken, second only to physical geography . And he's the one who got me hooked on Lindsey Davis' historical murder mystery series about the 1st-century private detective Marcus Didius Falco.)

Have you read any of her recent Flavia Alba books, featuring his adopted daughter, now also a delatrix?

 

[REDY]

Do animals have society?

 

[Chukchi Husky]

Killer whales live in complex social groups, I don't know if that could be called a society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_whale#Social_structure

 

[Samson]

Do animals have society?

Eusociality (from Greek εὖ eu "good" and social), the highest level of organization of animal sociality (wiki). Eusociality exists in certain insects, crustaceans and mammals. It is mostly observed and studied in the Hymenoptera (ants, bees, and wasps) and in the termites. So you could say some are more social than us.