remember 9/11

[Crezth]

I'm failing to see why I should have to ignore other tragic events simply because militants happened to chose that day to launch an attack. If you want to let them change your world, be my guest.

What are you talking about? The Chilean 9/11 was AWESOME! Yeah! Show those commies!

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Or perhaps a deliberate attempt to get you out of your holes and realize that there's a world around you that you destroy every once in a while. You destroy. Which has consequences. Such as 9/11.

Read my posts. I admitted that the US does horrible things. To restate myself, the problem isn't the substance of the the OP. It's the trollish nature of it given the date and the title.

As for the world we destroy, try not to forget the one we rebuilt. Like for instance, Europe and Japan.

Chile experienced something much more gruesome. Why do you care so much more about your loss of bourgoise than their decline into darkness, supported by you?

I support the bourgoise? Do you read any of my posts, much less the ones in this thread?

I also don't really have a reason not to care about the murder of 3000 Americans (and other nationals), regardless of class.

I think - and please do work with me here - that the whole point was to point out that atrocities in regards to America are either done by them towards others or are indirectly a result of American atrocities done towards others.

That was the point; executed in the most insensitive, inapropriate and thoroughly jerkish manner.

What a disgusting ploy to make us all think this was a remembrance thread about the Muslim attack.

'Muslim attack'. Maybe we do need a good trolling.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Seriously, if you're the bastion of freedom and individualism, act like it.

Like the times we kept Western Europe from falling under soviet domination? Or when we provided tsunami relief to Indonesia? Or maybe when we distribute food and medications to the entire continent of Africa?

But I guess we're just evil hypocrits.

 

[Angst]

hobbsyoyo, I haven't encountered you before and I do, due to forum etiquette, not bind you to opinions you have presented before, even if I remembered what you said.

My general point was that this thread is totally called for and that the mere loss of 3000 people - albeit being a tragedy - has nothing to do with the atrocities you've caused and I'd honestly like to see you compensate for that before wanting me to care about you guys.

No, I'm not being a hypocrite. I'm a Dane and I'm perfectly aware of our crimes. Both in Greenland back then and Afghanistan right now.

Also - I don't know enough about Japan I admit - but the European ultimate peace wasn't arranged by Americans, even though the presented the temporary post-WWII one. Remember the Cold War? Was that American peace? It was the coal & steel union that was done between France and Germany to finally end the age old feud, the very same union that evolved into EU. Thank you for the Marshall plan, but it was half implemented by you guys to ensure markets to begin with, so yeah. I understand it was a good thing, but it did also create market dependency.

 

[Angst]

Like the times we kept Western Europe from falling under soviet domination?

When you preserved your allies or market interests?

Or when we provided tsunami relief to Indonesia?

When you helped the areas dotted by American dead tourists?

Or maybe when we distribute food and medications to the entire continent of Africa?

That I give you, you're better than much of Europe. But honestly, still not good enough.

 

[useless]

It's a shame the American tragedy that occured on 9/11 has eclipsed the frankly (I'm not trying to be insensitive here) more gruesome tragedy that had befallen chile. The latter, whilst more memorable, was no way as bad as what chile and chileans had to endure (with assistance from america, oh the irony).

 

[Bugfatty300]

I think it's about America.

Chile is a bad thing, but you American people are our allies and friends. You should listen to our criticism. Right?

Right?

Of course, but actual constructive criticism would probably be a little more appreciated and respected. I don't see anything particularly constructive here. I think, if Holy King was really planning for this thread to be anything meaningful and significant then he would have left a more substantial OP.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

So 9/11 has nothing to do with our autrocities... But you just said that they caused it. Which is it?

Your revision of history was funny stuff though.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

When you preserved your allies or market interests?

And freedoms, democracy and lives. You're welcome.

Who was the driving force behind the League of Nations and the UN again? Last time I checked those were the first attempts at global unity and government.

When you helped the areas dotted by American dead tourists?

That's cynical to the point of absurdity.

 

[Angst]

So 9/11 has nothing to do with our autrocities... But you just said that they caused it. Which is it?

Sorry, that was put wrongly.

"My general point was that this thread is totally called for and that the mere loss of 3000 people - albeit being a tragedy - has little in comparison with the atrocities you've caused and I'd honestly like to see you compensate for that before wanting me to care about you guys.

Does that help?

Your revision of history was funny stuff though.

Revision? It's basic education man. Creating dependency on American wares is a great way of ensuring your markets. Much of your exports and "support" was done by ensuring that the goods we purchased were your goods.

 

[Bugfatty300]

It's a shame the American tragedy that occured on 9/11 has eclipsed the frankly (I'm not trying to be insensitive here) more gruesome tragedy that had befallen chile. The latter, whilst more memorable, was no way as bad as what chile and chileans had to endure (with assistance from america, oh the irony).

Eclipsed it how exactly? Was there a Chilean Coup D'état Remembrance Day across America every September 11th until 2001?

 

[Angst]

Eclipsed it how exactly? Was there Chilean Coup D'état Remembrance Day across the America every September 11th until 2001?

Are you, right now, excusing yourself with a position of mere indifference, that you simply don't care?

 

[Sonereal]

Sad state of affairs when this thread about Chile is now about America.

@Hobbsyoyo

The United States has a storied history of not being very nice people during the Cold War. This is known.

@Bugfatty

Of course, said "Muslim Attack" pales in comparison to the widespread systematic terrorism against the black community between the beginning of Reconstruction up to the 1970s by "Christians".

 

[Angst]

Sad state of affairs when this thread about Chile is now about America.

I think holy king did this to underline a point about America, but I might be wrong. I will concede my point, of course, if the consensus is against me.

 

[useless]

Are you, right now, excusing yourself with a position of mere indifference, that you simply don't care?

non-americans aren't people! didn't you know?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Sad state of affairs when this thread about Chile is now about America.

It was never about Chile, it was the shame America thread from the OP.

The United States has a storied history of not being very nice people during the Cold War. This is known.

I've already admitted as much in this thread. My comments were in response to a blanket statement of how bad the US is. We have done lots of good as a nation, before during and after the Cold War. Even when factoring in the bad.

 

[Bugfatty300]

Are you, right now, excusing yourself with a position of mere indifference, that you simply don't care?

I am, right now, not loosing any sleep over the 1973 Chilean coup d'état or the 2001 Al-Qaeda attacks just like everyone else in this thread. Why? Is there anything in particular I should be doing right now?

@Bugfatty

War. This is known. Of course, said "Muslim Attack" pales in comparison to the widespread systematic terrorism against the black community between the beginning of Reconstruction up to the 1970s by "Christians".

You didn't even click the link did you? Didn't even understand a OP pun...

Okay, now I'm getting a little irked here.

 

[Angst]

non-americans aren't people! didn't you know?

Sorry, as a non-American, I didn't realize it wasn't my thing to have an opinion on. D:

 

[Angst]

I am, right now, not loosing any sleep over the 1973 Chilean coup d'état or the 2001 Al-Qaeda attacks just like everyone else in this thread. Why? Is there anything in particular I should be doing right now?

Ofc not. You were just like "Well it's not like we cared about the military junta coup we supported in 1973 before 2001 either" and I jumped at your indifference.

I've already admitted as much in this thread. My comments were in response to a blanket statement of how bad the US is. We have done lots of good as a nation, before during and after the Cold War. Even when factoring in the bad.

"Sorry we burned down your village. Here's some gold."

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I think holy king did this to underline a point about America, but I might be wrong. I will concede my point, of course, if the consensus is against me.

I think most of us agree with this. Many of us, myself included, even agree with the sentiment behind the OP. The issue here for me isn't about the subject.

It's about the trollish nature of how it was brought up and the deliberately spiteful timing.