Returning Civ Leaders-Elimination Thread

[Guandao]

Abraham Lincoln (16+1)=17 Earlier US Presidents are boring (yawns). I want Abe back!
Ashoka 34
Canute/Cnut the Great 24
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 27
Hatshepsut 15
Huayna Capac 12
João II 25
Justinian I (1-3)=0 Justinian I is eliminated! I prefer a later Byzantine Emperor.
Louis XIV 34
Mansa Musa 35
Mehmed II 23
Suryavarman II 23
Tokugawa Ieyasu 6

Just a heads up, I will be flying to a country outside of the US, so probably won't be participating much in the thread or updating the scoreboard for at least two weeks, due to poor internet connection and lack of laptop. You guys can continue on without me.

 

[IgorS]

Abraham Lincoln 17
Ashoka 34
Canute/Cnut the Great 24
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 27 - 3 = 24 - a Great leader, but he's the least interesting one for me on this list.
Hatshepsut 15
Huayna Capac 12
João II 25
Louis XIV 34 + 1 = 35 - As Anne-Marie David sang "Je suis le roi-soleil!" What? It was "Je suis l'enfant-soleil"? Well, OK, for the purpose of this vote let's imagine it was "Je suis le roi-soleil". Wow, I'm seriously running out of things to say.
Mansa Musa 35
Mehmed II 23
Suryavarman II 23
Tokugawa Ieyasu 6

 

[Kimiimaro]

Abraham Lincoln 17
Ashoka 34
Canute/Cnut the Great 24
Frederick the Great 23
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 24+1=25 - Man who crossed Alps with giant army with war elephants. Man who beated Roman army several times, even when he was always outnumbered and Romans had technical superiority. Man who made Carthage commercial superpower of Medirranean again. Man who cared about happiness of his people. Man who helped to build Artaxata - new capital of Armenia. Man who beated enemy fleet by firing venomous snakes on it. How is that least interresting?
Hatshepsut 15
Huayna Capac 12
João II 25
Louis XIV 35
Mansa Musa 35
Mehmed II 23
Suryavarman II 23
Tokugawa Ieyasu 6-3=3 - Because Japan doesn't need another leader right now and because I want Meiji as alternative leader.

 

[Siptah]

Abraham Lincoln 17
Ashoka 34
Canute/Cnut the Great 24
Frederick the Great 24 (23+1) more culture for Germany.
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 25
Hatshepsut 12 (15-3) I want a fresh face for Egypt.
Huayna Capac 12
João II 25
Louis XIV 35
Mansa Musa 35
Mehmed II 23
Suryavarman II 23
Tokugawa Ieyasu 3

 

[God of Kings]

Abraham Lincoln 17
Ashoka 34
Canute/Cnut the Great 24
Frederick the Great 24
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 25
Hatshepsut 12
Huayna Capac 12
João II 25 + 1 = 26 Better than Maria I the Mad and who does not like João II's hat?
Louis XIV 35
Mansa Musa 35
Mehmed II 23
Suryavarman II 23
Tokugawa Ieyasu 3 - 3 = ELIMINATED We don't need another military dictator, shogun or shikken

 

[Zaarin]

Abraham Lincoln 14 (17 - 3) -- Adams for president, please. Or Washington. Washington's fine, too. Or Madison.
Ashoka 34
Canute/Cnut the Great 24
Frederick the Great 24
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 26 (25 + 1) -- He and Hamilcar really are the best choices for Carthage, and Hannibal fits the "big personality" theme better.
Hatshepsut 12
Huayna Capac 12
João II 26
Louis XIV 35
Mansa Musa 35
Mehmed II 23
Suryavarman II 23

 

[WillowBrook]

Abraham Lincoln 14
Ashoka 34
Canute/Cnut the Great 24
Frederick the Great 24
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 26
Hatshepsut 13 (12+1) I'd love to see her return as an alternate to Cleo
Huayna Capac 12
João II 26
Louis XIV 35
Mansa Musa 35
Mehmed II 20 (23-3) there are other options. Choices must be made
Suryavarman II 23

 

[Morningcalm]

Abraham Lincoln 14 + 1 = 15 (Upvoting the United States' greatest president, and I look forward to his distinct high voice and famous oratory being in the game)
Ashoka 34
Canute/Cnut the Great 24
Frederick the Great 24
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 26
Hatshepsut 13
Huayna Capac 12 - 3 = 9 (Eh. Why not Pachacuti, whose Quecha name means "he who overturns space and time"? His title, "Earth Shaker" also brings with it more story than Huayna, who, while a capable ruler, would have been a better fit for Civ V than Civ VI given the agenda system)
João II 26
Louis XIV 35
Mansa Musa 35
Mehmed II 20
Suryavarman II 23

 

[IgorS]

Abraham Lincoln 15
Ashoka 34
Canute/Cnut the Great 24 + 1 = 25 - there is no such thing as too many Scandinavian civs and leaders
Frederick the Great 24
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 26 - 3 = 23 - among those left, he and his civ interest me the least (doesn't mean I don't want them in the game, but Dido would be fine by me too)
Hatshepsut 13
Huayna Capac 9
João II 26
Louis XIV 35
Mansa Musa 35
Mehmed II 20
Suryavarman II 23

 

[Kimiimaro]

Abraham Lincoln 15
Ashoka 34
Canute/Cnut the Great 25
Frederick the Great 24
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 23+1=24 - I simply have to disagree with IgorS in his opinion about Hannibal and Carthage. He's the most interresting leader for me. He's so interresting he became my number one choice (along with Mansa Musa).
Hatshepsut 13
Huayna Capac 9-3=6 - I just don't care about Incan civ or leader.
João II 26
Louis XIV 35
Mansa Musa 35
Mehmed II 20
Suryavarman II 23

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Abraham Lincoln 15
Ashoka 34
Canute/Cnut the Great 25
Frederick the Great 25 (24 + 1) - I once explained to someone why I prefer History to Fantasy by supposing a fictional character: a Great Lord of Darkness who attacks all his neighbors, burns down their palaces, forces their soldiers into his service - and also writes opera, plays the flute (well!) and corresponds with every intellectual in Europe. That's Frederick, and he could not be fictional because nobody would dare make up anyone so unbelievable! Gotta have him
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 24
Hatshepsut 10 (13 - 1) - For big builders, big warriors, grandiose braggarts - gimme a Rameses every time. - Although, an animator could have a Field Day with the fake beard on Hatty...
Huayna Capac 6
João II 26
Louis XIV 35
Mansa Musa 35
Mehmed II 20
Suryavarman II 23

 

[Zaarin]

Abraham Lincoln 15
Ashoka 34
Canute/Cnut the Great 25
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 24
Hatshepsut 10
Huayna Capac 3 (6 - 3) -- I agree with MorningCalm's reasons, but I favor Atahualpa. Bonus points if Firaxis actually shows him drinking from his brother's gold-plated skull.
João II 26
Louis XIV 36 (35 + 1) -- The Sun King has arrived in all his state and splendour.
Mansa Musa 35
Mehmed II 20
Suryavarman II 23

 

[WillowBrook]

Abraham Lincoln 15
Ashoka 35 (34+1) India without Gandhi!
Canute/Cnut the Great 25
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 24
Hatshepsut 10
Huayna Capac 3
João II 23 (26-3) good choice, but not top five for me
Louis XIV 36
Mansa Musa 35
Mehmed II 20
Suryavarman II 23

 

[Siptah]

Abraham Lincoln 15
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 25
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 24
Hatshepsut 10
Huayna Capac 0 (3-3) I think there are better choices for an Inka. Bye bye.
João II 23
Louis XIV 36
Mansa Musa 35
Mehmed II 20
Suryavarman II 24 (23+1) I don't know much about Khmer history, but this one seems right and fits the probably best time frame as well.

 

[Gabriel Sergio]

Abraham Lincoln 15 - 3 = 12 I just need another president (not trump)
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 25
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 24
Hatshepsut 10
João II 23
Louis XIV 36
Mansa Musa 35 + 1 = 36 He is a rich leader, wealthy and Mali Empire reach its golden age under his rule
Mehmed II 20
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Kimiimaro]

Abraham Lincoln 12
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 25
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 24+1=25 - I want Hannibal! He and Carthage are too important and interresting to be so much behind my second favourite, Mansa Musa...
Hatshepsut 10
João II 23
Louis XIV 36-3=33 - Sorry state, but Mansa Musa is better
Mansa Musa 36
Mehmed II 20
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Zaarin]

Abraham Lincoln 12
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 25
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 25
Hatshepsut 10
João II 23
Louis XIV 34 (33 + 1) -- Pfft, so Mansa Musa was rich; what can you actually say about his personality? Whereas Louis XIV was an almost bipolar contrast of extreme indulgence and wanton warfare based on baffling insecurity on the one side, and extraordinary patronage of the arts bordering on obsessiveness and egomania on the other--all balanced by what may have been sincere piety in later life.
Mansa Musa 36
Mehmed II 17 (20 - 3) -- When you have a leader called "the Magnificent," you go with that guy.
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Kimiimaro]

Louis XIV 34 (33 + 1) -- Pfft, so Mansa Musa was rich; what can you actually say about his personality? Whereas Louis XIV was an almost bipolar contrast of extreme indulgence and wanton warfare based on baffling insecurity on the one side, and extraordinary patronage of the arts bordering on obsessiveness and egomania on the other--all balanced by what may have been sincere piety in later life.

Not just rich, he was the richest! Cities, mosques, universities, ton of things were built during his reign. Mali was economical superpower atracting traders from the whole world. He was so rich he economically devastated Arabia with all gold he brought there during his Hajj. And that's definitely cool

 

[Zaarin]

Not just rich, he was the richest! Cities, mosques, universities, ton of things were built during his reign. Mali was economical superpower atracting readers from the whole world. He was so rich he economically devastated Arabia with all gold he brought there during his Hajj. And that's definitely cool

Sure, but that still says nothing about his personality. (Honestly, I think Mansa Musa's Mali would be a welcome addition to the game...I just want Louis XIV more. )

 

[Kimiimaro]

Sure, but that still says nothing about his personality. (Honestly, I think Mansa Musa's Mali would be a welcome addition to the game...I just want Louis XIV more. )

I think he was a great personality, but the problem with him is lack of books and resources to prove that. And about you liking Louis XIV more, it's understandable. He was a great personality and we have even enough resources to prove that. He was like "French Mansa Musa" . Even I think Louis XIV deserves place in top 5, along with Hannibal, Ashoka, Hammurabi and Mansa Musa.