[RFC Dawn of Civ] The Alternative History of France

[clearmurky]

Well, yes Thermopylae was one of the most famous battles, but it wasn't just 300 Greeks. There were what, 1500 phoenicians as well?

 

[Linkman226]

And 300 greeks defended against 1.000.000 persians.

This is a hilarious lie. It was 300 Spartans, plus a whole bunch of other Greeks, plus this:

Well, yes Thermopylae was one of the most famous battles, but it wasn't just 300 Greeks. There were what, 1500 phoenicians as well?

 

[thecaesar]

Greece has Homer, King Leonidas, Pericles, Herodotus, Hippocrates, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Herophilos, Paulus Aegineta, Pedanius Dioscorides, Thales of Miletus, Pythagoras, Diophantus of Alexandria, Euclid, Eratosthenes, Alexander the Great, Hipparchus, Aristarchus of Samos, Ptolemy, Archimedes, Hypatia, Basil II, Alexios Komnenos, Gemistos Plethon, El Greco, Pope John VII, Nilus the Younger, Antipope John XV, Barlaam of Seminara, Leontius Pilatus, Antonio de Ferraris, John Argyris, Georgios Papanikolaou and many others.

For heaven's sake, didn't you READ what I wrote about the Greeks and Romans?

 

[clearmurky]

I say that Persia is better than both! Who would win in single combat: Hoplite or Legionary?
Heitorcccp, sorry for spamming the thread.

 

[christos200]

I don't know, but if I were to take a side, I'd choose Rome over Greece. Did ONE Greek defend against an army of Savage Etruscans numbering 10,000? Look at the odds in each, and tell me: Horatius at the Bridge or Constantine Kolokotronis. But, I am from neither background, but I am German, and I take both Latin and Ancient Greek at school.

Although the story appears in many different credible ancient sources, such as Plutarch, Dionysius of Halicarnassus, and Livy, with variations, many historians have been skeptical of the story.

Tacitus mentions in passing that Porsenna, "when the city was surrendered," did not violate the seat of Jupiter" (the Capitol). This could mean that perhaps Rome surrendered during or after the battle.

Livy viewed the story as legendary; that is, he repeated accounts that he had read unable to vouch for their authority. Livy found the swimming event hard to believe, quipping "though many missiles fell over him he swam across in safety to his friends, an act of daring more famous than credible with posterity." Florus has something similar to say: "It was on this occasion that those three prodigies and marvels of Rome made their appearance, Horatius, Mucius and Cloelia, who, were they not recorded in our annals, would seem fabulous characters at the present day."

To account for his presence in numerous histories T.J. Cornell further presumes that they relied on "unscrupulous annalists" who "did not hesitate to invent a series of face-saving victories in the immediate aftermath of these defeats" such as the presumed defeat of Rome at the Naevian Meadow. Furthermore, "The annalists of the first century BC are thus seen principally as entertainers...." Cornell, however, cites no criterion for distinguishing what narratives of annalists or historians are to be considered mere entertainment.

 

[Tlönitte]

Nationalism just make me laugh

It should only be applicable in football

 

[clearmurky]

As a final point, lets all agree that Rome and Greece were two of the most influential civilizations in existence. Now, back to the story. heitorcccp?

 

[christos200]

Greece is better than rome!!!!!!!!!!

You cant convice a greek natinalist that greece isnt the best nation in the world.

 

[Jwitti]

I'm not trying. And neither is anyone else.

 

[christos200]

Find one greek who isnt nationalist and then tell me what you want.

Greece=nationalism

 

[Jwitti]

we are not trying to un-nationalize you at all!!!!!!!!! Do you get it???????

 

[christos200]

I got it.

 

[strijder20]

Greece=nationalism

You've made two mistakes here.

1. Greece = Greece
2. Nationalism = Nationalism

Fixed!

 

[Jwitti]

who started this story and when will he update?

 

[thecaesar]

As a final point, lets all agree that Rome and Greece were two of the most influential civilizations in existence. Now, back to the story. heitorcccp?

Definitely. Rome is just my FAVORITE most influential civilization. The only reason I am saying Greece is equally influential is because Rome borrowed so many Greek ideas.

 

[trexeric]

Well, there is also China. They influenced a bunch of stuff.

 

[thecaesar]

Lol well that's true, but I tend to think from a European point of view. Odd, as I'm an American... I'm weird.

 

[heitorcccp]

I'm just amazed!! I'm was due to end some important work for university projects and was sad about not updating this story soon, but you guys just kept the party going on!

To Greece and Rome fans, I would welcome both to L'Empire , but Athens is somewhat beyond my grasp... But surprise awaits Italy, and this will be well covered on next stories

This week, publishing new - and final - chapters. And I'm seriously planning to run the next story in Epic or Marathon speed.

thanks!

 

[thecaesar]

...well I suppose that since Italy is less pwnsome than Rome, you can assimilate them...
But no more speaking of razing the Eternal City!

 

[christos200]

Just raze rome and kill all romans. Oh, i forgot. They arent romans. They are italians.