[R&F] Rise and Fall Screenshot discussion

[Cerilis]

Regarding the blue domed & crenelated coastal structure - I'm starting to feel that it is a representation of an ancient wonder that is no longer standing. 5 of the 7 "known" wonders are from the 16th century AD or newer. I think it probably comes sometime after the Greek style temple of unknown origin and before St. Basil's Cathedral. That's a pretty big time period, and we aren't able to find a good representation of it anywhere hence my theory that it's not in this current state anymore. I feel the size, style, and overall detail make it unlikely to be anything other then the 8th wonder of this expansion.

Current list with estimated construction date from oldest to most recent:

1. Temple of Artemis* 550(?) BC
...
2. or 3. Kōtoku-in 1252(?) AD
...
4. St Basil's Cathedral 1561
5. Archivo General de Indias 1572
6. Statue of Liberty 1886
7. Château Frontenac 1893
8. Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station 1975++

Something pre-islamic middle eastern comes to mind, too.

 

[chazzycat]

That's not really a contender, if you ask me. The ...gateway-arch? isn't really promoted in the wonder, or I would throw Taq Kasra into the mix. (Also fails coastal check)

are we looking at the same screenshot? that thing definitely has a big arch in the entrance gate. A big blue dome. And a few smaller blue domes on the corners. It's as close as anything else.

The coastal thing may be a red herring.

 

[pgm123]

The dock is clearly connected to the fort though. I'm finally under the impression that this is a Feitora

I think there's a chance that's it's a coincidence and it just happens to look like it's connected. But I agree that Portugal is the most likely.

 

[CPWimmer]

I think there's a chance that's it's a coincidence and it just happens to look like it's connected. But I agree that Portugal is the most likely.

Not to be rude, but I think that chance is 0%.

There are stairs leading from the dock into the rear building.
The color scheme of the walkway on the dock is very similar to the color scheme on the tops of the buildings
The wooden barrels on the dock carry the same style and theme as the crates on top of the other buildings within that structure..
The color scheme of the dock, and the implied technology era with those wooden barrels both have nothing at all to do with the modern fishery improvement shown next to it.

The coastal location of that structure and that dock are part of it's inherent traits.

 

[IdiotStyle]

Not to be rude, but I think that chance is 0%.

There are stairs leading from the dock into the rear building.
The color scheme of the walkway on the dock is very similar to the color scheme on the tops of the buildings
The wooden barrels on the dock carry the same style and theme as the crates on top of the other buildings within that structure..
The color scheme of the dock, and the implied technology era with those wooden barrels both have nothing at all to do with the modern fishery improvement shown next to it.

The coastal location of that structure and that dock are part of it's inherent traits.

Plus if you consider the images to be made just to be shown as advertisement you wouldn't have thing clipping into one another.
Are we sure that the station is a new wonder though?

 

[CPWimmer]

Plus if you consider the images to be made just to be shown as advertisement you wouldn't have thing clipping into one another.
Are we sure that the station is a new wonder though?

Well, we aren't certain about anything - but if you are referring to the Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station, it certainly looks that way to me. The image in the screenshot has the iconic geodesic dome as well as the newer raised structures. It even has the same orange and white out-buildings you can see in some images of the station found on google. I can't imagine it's anything else - it is a one of a kind structure. And kind of amazing if you think about building and sustaining something in those conditions!

 

[Cerilis]

I wonder what the South Pole Station does. Maybe a boost to Space ship production? Free habitation module? Late game eurekas? A boost to refrigeration? Well, let's hope it's at least not something at that stage barely useful like a flat science bonus.

 

[IdiotStyle]

It could give a unique boost or just straight out give the next scientist in a stonehenge manner

 

[Guandao]

I wonder what the South Pole Station does. Maybe a boost to Space ship production? Free habitation module? Late game eurekas? A boost to refrigeration? Well, let's hope it's at least not something at that stage barely useful like a flat science bonus.

Maybe it does something with tundra tiles?

 

[Cerilis]

Maybe it does something with tundra tiles?

But what useful could it do to tundra tiles in late game?

Also, I think there isnt much tundra at the south pole.

 

[ferretbacon]

Maybe it does something with tundra tiles?

I would assume that if it's a terrain booster, a la Petra, it would affect snow rather than tundra.

 

[Guandao]

I would assume that if it's a terrain booster, a la Petra, it would affect snow rather than tundra.

I forgot Snow is a separate tile from Tundra.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I would assume that if it's a terrain booster, a la Petra, it would affect snow rather than tundra.

Science? What else?

 

[ferretbacon]

Science? What else?

I mean, I didn't speculate on its effect, but yeah it would pretty obviously be science.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I mean, I didn't speculate on its effect, but yeah it would pretty obviously be science.

I like the idea, but there should probably be more to it, like 2 free information era techs or something. A city working barren snow for science isn't much of a grower. Maybe that city would also get additional food per trade route to signify how everything at the south pole is basically flown in from another part of the world.

 

[ferretbacon]

I like the idea, but there should probably be more to it, like 2 free information era techs or something. A city working barren snow for science isn't much of a grower. Maybe that city would also get additional food per trade route to signify how everything at the south pole is basically flown in from another part of the world.

That's only if it's some sort of "snow Petra." Though as a presumably late game wonder, anything it provides that's science-related would have to be pretty substantial. But, then again, I don't know what else it could possibly yield other than science. It's a research station IRL after all. Pretty puzzling.

Perhaps it has something to do with boosting science alliances?

 

[Josephias]

Just to trow my 5 cents and revive the polemique about the mistery mosque-madrassa-feitoria... this is Fort Jesus in Mombasa

Not a clear fit either, but (no real domed 3-door entrance seen), but could be used as a wonder and meets all the requisites commented here

 

[Vahnstad]

By now, if it's a wonder, it would be the worst pick in civ history, since it's apparently definitely not a wonder, because literally no-one knows it.

 

[Uberfrog]

Just to trow my 5 cents and revive the polemique about the mistery mosque-madrassa-feitoria... this is Fort Jesus in Mombasa

Not a clear fit either, but (no real domed 3-door entrance seen), but could be used as a wonder and meets all the requisites commented here

I saw this, and it’s a good fit for the colour and crenellations. It does have a dome, but it’s very different from the one in the screenshot.

The main difference is the gate house, which continues to be the main feature that does not look feitoria-like to me. Fort Jesus has quite a distinctive chicaning wall at its entrance, not a big ostentatious archway.

Spoiler Fort Jesus :

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I think I may have discovered a new resource. It's in the ocean in two of the screenshots. Neither are worked. They appear to be grayish-green mats. Is this algae or coral or what?

http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/s.../a4d734f6e55e8a37964f8fbad70a092253aeeba4.jpg
In this one, it's north of the fishery and southeast of the Statue of Liberty.

http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/s.../dfce2bbc252e73ebb83f4a3bee0e13593b88965e.jpg
And in this one, there are two on the right edge of the picture. One in the top right, and one a little below that.