[R&F] Rise and Fall Screenshot discussion

[WillowBrook]

I think I may have discovered a new resource. It's in the ocean in two of the screenshots. Neither are worked. They appear to be grayish-green mats. Is this algae or coral or what?

http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/s.../a4d734f6e55e8a37964f8fbad70a092253aeeba4.jpg
In this one, it's north of the fishery and southeast of the Statue of Liberty.

http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/s.../dfce2bbc252e73ebb83f4a3bee0e13593b88965e.jpg
And in this one, there are two on the right edge of the picture. One in the top right, and one a little below that.

I would identify the tile near the statue of liberty as clams/pearls. But I'm not sure about the ones in the other pic.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I would identify the tile near the statue of liberty as clams/pearls. But I'm not sure about the ones in the other pic.

Pearls look like this though:

 

[IdiotStyle]

it seems weird to have a tile bonus that looks so faint though

 

[Kheznik]

I'm not sure if this has been pointed out yet (sorry if it has), but the three cities in this shot don't use the same architecture (and by that I mean the small straddling buildings around the city center and districts). You need to look really close to see what I'm talking about.

The southern city has an abundance of red/brown/green-tone style of houses and apartment blocks, while the northeastern city has a small supply of colourful apartments (seen next to the harbour), which can't be found in the southern city, and vice versa. Also worth noting is that the third city, the north-central one, has a mixture of BOTH styles (the "southern" style is hidden behind the entertainment district, and the "northeastern" style is next to the the new purple district). Neither style is currently found in-game, and they both clash considerably so they can't possibly be part of the same architecture group. Could this be related to the loyalty system? Can cities flip cultures when they've been influenced by nearby civs? If so then I'm 100% down for this expansion pack.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I'm not sure if this has been pointed out yet (sorry if it has), but the three cities in this shot don't use the same architecture (and by that I mean the small straddling buildings around the city center and districts). You need to look really close to see what I'm talking about.

The southern city has an abundance of red/brown/green-tone style of houses and apartment blocks, while the northeastern city has a small supply of colourful apartments (seen next to the harbour), which can't be found in the southern city, and vice versa. Also worth noting is that the third city, the north-central one, has a mixture of BOTH styles (the "southern" style is hidden behind the entertainment district, and the "northeastern" style is next to the the new purple district). Neither style is currently found in-game, and they both clash considerably so they can't possibly be part of the same architecture group. Could this be related to the loyalty system? Can cities flip cultures when they've been influenced by nearby civs? If so then I'm 100% down for this expansion pack.

I noticed it as well. The southern city with the palace doesn't look like any architecture style we've seen yet with the brownish red. I hadn't noticed the others but the top city looks like what Brazil and the Aztec have already.

 

[Kheznik]

I noticed it as well. The southern city with the palace doesn't look like any architecture style we've seen yet with the brownish red. I hadn't noticed the others but the top city looks like what Brazil and the Aztec have already.

No, the art style is definitely new, although it may end up being a new style for Brazil, as the current one is... nonsense. God willing.

Though I still hold that the palace building in the screenshot is Canadian, which is just a whole nother can of worms. The rest of the architecture in the southern city is very much Russian though.

I'm not sure if this screenshot is just a mess and nothing more, or if Firaxis is intentionally teasing like a hundred different things. I'm leaning towards the latter because I really really like the idea of culture-shifting cities.

 

[Cuneiform]

I think I may have discovered a new resource.

I think not.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I think not.

Elaborate.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

No, the art style is definitely new, although it may end up being a new style for Brazil, as the current one is... nonsense. God willing.

Though I still hold that the palace building in the screenshot is Canadian, which is just a whole nother can of worms. The rest of the architecture in the southern city is very much Russian though.

I'm not sure if this screenshot is just a mess and nothing more, or if Firaxis is intentionally teasing like a hundred different things. I'm leaning towards the latter because I really really like the idea of culture-shifting cities.

It looked similar, but yeah the new ones are more colorful. Hopefully that is Brazil and they will have more colorful buildings to separate themselves from the other South American Civs.

 

[Kimiimaro]

I'd guess that the new palace is most likely for an European or colonial Civ. It might be reskin for Brazil or Russia as well as a new palace style for, I don't know, the Dutch Empire.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I'd guess that the new palace is most likely for an European or colonial Civ. It might be reskin for Brazil or Russia as well as a new palace style for, I don't know, the Dutch Empire.

If they are giving regional skins to Monuments, they might be doing more Palace artwork too.

 

[Guandao]

If they are giving regional skins to Monuments, they might be doing more Palace artwork too.

Did they thought the generic Palace for most of the European Civs was boring?
Or maybe Canada and Russia share the same Palace style?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Did they thought the generic Palace for most of the European Civs was boring?
Or maybe Canada and Russia share the same Palace style?

I think the Canadian-ness of that palace should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[Cerilis]

Every city on that screenshot has a lavra.

 

[Guandao]

It's a slightly different looking palace from the original Russian (pan-European) one. The design is basically the same. Only the roof color has changed.

 

[Kimiimaro]

It's a slightly different looking palace from the original Russian (pan-European) one. The design is basically the same. Only the roof color has changed.

Actually, more than the roof colour. The entire roof looks slightly different and the pan-European doesn't have a balcony.

 

[Josephias]

I think I may have discovered a new resource. It's in the ocean in two of the screenshots. Neither are worked. They appear to be grayish-green mats. Is this algae or coral or what?

http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/s.../a4d734f6e55e8a37964f8fbad70a092253aeeba4.jpg
In this one, it's north of the fishery and southeast of the Statue of Liberty.

http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/s.../dfce2bbc252e73ebb83f4a3bee0e13593b88965e.jpg
And in this one, there are two on the right edge of the picture. One in the top right, and one a little below that.

Maybe bonus tiles with reef? That was already in Civ V. And afaik, it is not yet in Civ IV

 

[Meluhhan]

Regarding the blue domed & crenelated coastal structure - I'm starting to feel that it is a representation of an ancient wonder that is no longer standing. 5 of the 7 "known" wonders are from the 16th century AD or newer. I think it probably comes sometime after the Greek style temple of unknown origin and before St. Basil's Cathedral. That's a pretty big time period, and we aren't able to find a good representation of it anywhere hence my theory that it's not in this current state anymore. I feel the size, style, and overall detail make it unlikely to be anything other then the 8th wonder of this expansion.

Current list with estimated construction date from oldest to most recent:

1. Temple of Artemis* 550(?) BC
...
2. or 3. Kōtoku-in 1252(?) AD
...
4. St Basil's Cathedral 1561
5. Archivo General de Indias 1572
6. Statue of Liberty 1886
7. Château Frontenac 1893
8. Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station 1975++

This list leaves no room for a possible Korean wonder like the Hwangnyongsa (a nine storey wooden pagoda) or the Cheomseongdae (an observatory), both iconic structures built during Seondeok's reign.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I've already suspected that Brazil might get updated with that new style of architecture but what if they use it for Portugal as well? It would make sense.

 

[Kimiimaro]

I've already suspected that Brazil might get updated with that new style of architecture but what if they use it for Portugal as well? It would make sense.

Yep, it definitly would. Pedro ruling country from Portuguese style palace will always make a bigger sense than Pedro ruling the country from Aztec pyramid.