El_Machinae said:
Abusing?
I prefer to think of it as "exercising". 
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Abusing?
I prefer to think of it as "exercising". 
Abusing? Hell, if F@H had a function to run when a machine was idle, or start and stop at a specific time, I'd suggest to my boss (PC services manager) that we put it on all of our desktops. Well, maybe not all, but at least the ones in our building. I think they'd probably do it too, they generally love the "easy" charitable stuff.
Of course in its current state it just won't work. No one wants it running constantly as a service, and having to start and stop it manually means it will never run... not to mention probably driving more than a few people crazy.
Oerdin
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I've been a member of the world community grid for over a year now and it has a lot of people using their spare computer cycles to help scientists better understand how the AIDS virus spreads in the human body. The hope if by better understanding how the virus spreads and enters cells that ways can be found to slow or stop its spread. It doesn't hurt me since it works something like a screen saver and it helps scientists crunch numbers and add to the public domain's understanding of AIDS.
I've been a member of the world community grid for over a year now and it has a lot of people using their spare computer cycles to help scientists better understand how the AIDS virus spreads in the human body. The hope if by better understanding how the virus spreads and enters cells that ways can be found to slow or stop its spread. It doesn't hurt me since it works something like a screen saver and it helps scientists crunch numbers and add to the public domain's understanding of AIDS.
Blasphemous
Graulich
If that grid thing is as stable and unobstrusive as the F@H console version I'll switch to it (or use it simultaneously). Even though my one grandmother has had cancer on a few occasions and lived and the other died from it (when her son, my father, was a chile) I feel far more terrified by AIDS than by cancer. (Might be worth mentioning that my maternal grandfather died of AIDS, even though that's not a main factor in my fear.)
Seems to me that AIDS is a sickness that kills society more than it kills the patient.
Seems to me that AIDS is a sickness that kills society more than it kills the patient.
I'm not going to dissuade people from switching, but research the program that you're going to contribute to. With F@H, the limiting factor is the number of computers. With FightAIDS@home, the limiting factor is the number of researchers; the computers will finish the tasks about 7-10 years before the researchers can make use of all the data.
Some people will chant about some distributed computing being done for 'for profit' companies, and say that F@H is open-source research. I get their point, but I don't know if I follow their conclusions. My most important goal is to get the research USED, and to get used as fast as possible.
Some people will chant about some distributed computing being done for 'for profit' companies, and say that F@H is open-source research. I get their point, but I don't know if I follow their conclusions. My most important goal is to get the research USED, and to get used as fast as possible.
Speedo said:
I figure you've already thought of these, but why not either set the processor utilization at ~80% so that there's enough idling to not impact a user's mouse/keyboarding before F@H has a chance to throttle down for other apps, or set a scheduled service start/stop on each machine?
Aphex_Twin
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OK, I joined my Linux box on this one. Though it doesn't seem to be making much progress... How much time should it take to complete one 'step' (on an Intel Celeron@2800 && 512 DDR) ?
Furiey
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The time for 1 frame will vary from work unit to work unit, but the number of points a work unit is worth will give a guide. I didn't realise the difference at first and thought frames = points. The first one I did was a 500 frame work unit worth only 46 points. My 1.7 GHz P4 got through that quite quickly (my main problem being power cuts causing the project to start from scratch several times) and I expected the same for the next which was only 400 frames. This one is worth 241 points (credits) though and it takes about 12 minutes to complete 1 frame, much longer than the previous one. You can find out how many points your work unit is worth by looking it up in the project summary here. There's also a FAQ on the points system here.
Well, most of the WUs I've been doing have been in frames.
My Athlon64x2 4400 has 2 WUs going at once, roughly 5 min per frame.
The Athlon 1500 (actually an underclocked 2100) takes ~9 min per frame
The PIII 1Ghz's take ~15 min per frame
The C500 takes ~30 min per frame.
Blasphemous
Graulich
Steps is what you see in the console, I haven't seen any frames there and I haven't seen any steps in the graphical version. The console announces progress every 1%, and the amount of time 1% takes varies from WU to WU... So far the ones I've had on the console seem to take 5-20mins/1%.
Furiey
No Longer Just Lurking
Yep, that's what my log looks like for a work unit using TINKER. The last unit I did used the Gromacs core and the log was slightly different, but had basically the same information.
Blasphemous
Graulich
That's odd... My thing just keeps talking about steps out of 500000, and reporting after every 1%. o_O
Anyhow, I can't get it to run as a service. It won't autostart and when I try to make it start manually I get this:
Anyhow, I can't get it to run as a service. It won't autostart and when I try to make it start manually I get this:
If you want it to start automatically I wouldn't run the service (personally). Go to your F@H folder, right click on the .exe and select "Create Shortcut."
Then cut the shortcut created and paste it into
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
It'll then open window when it's actually running, so it's easy to monitor and shut down, if need be. If you want to restart it you can go to Start>Programs>Startup, or copy the shortcut you created to the desktop.
Then cut the shortcut created and paste it into
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
It'll then open window when it's actually running, so it's easy to monitor and shut down, if need be. If you want to restart it you can go to Start>Programs>Startup, or copy the shortcut you created to the desktop.
Blasphemous
Graulich
I could do that, but why is using it as a service bad? You can still kill it, almost as easily...
Speedo said:
I've been using FAHview and FAHserve and it has been pretty convenient - the service still runs pretty much no matter what, but the viewing and remote monitoring/control only runs within user login context.
http://forum.folding-community.org/viewtopic.php?t=12904
Blasphemous
Graulich
So how can I get F@H to work as a service?
Blasphemous said:
Download the console version. Execute the executable. It'll run through the setup, then ask you a bunch of configuration questions, the most important one being "yes, I want to have it run automatically at boot-up". The DOS box will run a bit; hit Control-C once it is either obviously started a work unit or is sitting at the same line for a little bit (see the screenshot up a few places, it'll look like that). Then reboot.
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