[BTS] SGOTM 25 - Phoenix Rising
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Morning! We celebrate mother's day mid-May. March is too ugly for that.
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In May here too 
Made a pic with some unit / worker plans
Mongolia idea would be that we build a Sword in Bejing this turn with chop, and it's moving there in case 4 chariots cannot surprise attack Mongolia.
If they can, it's for Moscow.
Chariot in Yanan can leave this turn, earliest unit we have near Mongolia for spying i think.
Yanan & Bejing will complete chariots #3 and 4 soon, after settler and Sword.
I would say for Biz we see what's left after DeG attack
We will have our galley there to transport surviving Shanghai Swords a bit quicker, and can then add something from Bejing again as needed.
Expanding on worker ideas:
One of those roading 1sw of Bejing could get on gold in 3t, not possible faster i think.
Other one can move back on stone.
2 captured ones i would use for chopping 2N1E of Bejing, for a Choko that moves towards Moscow. They are out of position either way for now, but can reach that forest in one move.
Archer into Bejing not Fur Valley please, we want one as city guard for Yanan too so we need both for those cities.
Bejing should drop floodplains and use Ivory or stone tile cos of happy situation, please check if stone gives 2 more hammers than Ivory.
Happy with granary in cowfields (nice name), they are cheap buildings for us.
Made a pic with some unit / worker plans
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If they can, it's for Moscow.
Chariot in Yanan can leave this turn, earliest unit we have near Mongolia for spying i think.
Yanan & Bejing will complete chariots #3 and 4 soon, after settler and Sword.
I would say for Biz we see what's left after DeG attack
We will have our galley there to transport surviving Shanghai Swords a bit quicker, and can then add something from Bejing again as needed.
Expanding on worker ideas:
Spoiler :
Other one can move back on stone.
2 captured ones i would use for chopping 2N1E of Bejing, for a Choko that moves towards Moscow. They are out of position either way for now, but can reach that forest in one move.
Archer into Bejing not Fur Valley please, we want one as city guard for Yanan too so we need both for those cities.
Bejing should drop floodplains and use Ivory or stone tile cos of happy situation, please check if stone gives 2 more hammers than Ivory.
Happy with granary in cowfields (nice name
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Let em look at your pic.
At size 1 that city can't whip much. We could use 1 sword and 3 chariots. Scouting with Yanan chariot will tell all?
We have 2 chariots. So would need 2 more. If LB leaves with a settler then we might not even need 4 chariots. Still building settler.
Mongolia still needs a lot of work. No worker yet either.
So you would use captured worker for road to west?
3 swords for Bis would be too risky. Albeit one will be CR1.
Yep let's focus on Mongolia and Deg. Meanwhile lets scout west with bomber while we still have OB. Do we need to test barbs in this respect? They would have to capture the city for us to lose the bomber? Danger could be roaming units we don't know about?
This turn plan
Sword into galley and move towards Deg.
Archer into Beijing. (Got distracted by your yellow circle!)
Beijing chop and switch to sword.
Chariot 2n1E.
Cowfields - Are we happy with granary?
We have chariot worker near furvalley. Chariot can head towards Mongolia too.
Worker 2S2W
You could whip CKN into chariot? I guess chop helps here.
At size 1 that city can't whip much. We could use 1 sword and 3 chariots. Scouting with Yanan chariot will tell all?
We have 2 chariots. So would need 2 more. If LB leaves with a settler then we might not even need 4 chariots. Still building settler.
Mongolia still needs a lot of work. No worker yet either.
So you would use captured worker for road to west?
3 swords for Bis would be too risky. Albeit one will be CR1.
Yep let's focus on Mongolia and Deg. Meanwhile lets scout west with bomber while we still have OB. Do we need to test barbs in this respect? They would have to capture the city for us to lose the bomber? Danger could be roaming units we don't know about?
This turn plan
Sword into galley and move towards Deg.
Archer into Beijing. (Got distracted by your yellow circle!)
Beijing chop and switch to sword.
Chariot 2n1E.
Cowfields - Are we happy with granary?
We have chariot worker near furvalley. Chariot can head towards Mongolia too.
Worker 2S2W
You could whip CKN into chariot? I guess chop helps here.
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It's just you Brit types. Always doing things differently, like driving on the wrong side of the road
worker plan looks good
What is our plan on Biz city?
edit: yikes - he's got LB and 3 archers, although at least one is moving around
I'll start editing up save?
11 with Ivory. 12 with 3H stone. (Already on ivory.)
44 vs 45. You get 10%. So unless you move about 50 it has no impact.
Happy with sword into galley and move that 2e.
Chariot to move 2n1E of beijing. Worker moved there already.
Other chariot heading 2N1E.
Any other changes? Green to end turn?
I assume all swords back to beijing next turn? Only loses a turn moving 0.3 one back.
I would prefer mehmed move as we can only see top half of map here. Top 30 tiles. map goes down 60 tiles?
Chariot onto gold next turn unless we want attack force in place sooner?
Green to end turn my? Then I can edit up next turn.
Library whip next turn.
Romans on alphabet. (22 turns.)
Cow or gold for chariot? What does test show? Mongolia still slow building something 351 invested.
Bomber to Mehmed? All happy?
Library whip.
Chariot near FV can head closer to Mongolia.
Major shock! Archer and LB in city. Someone pass me some water.
Worker near beijing to stone. if it moves directly onto other tile it loses it's turn.
2 archers and a lot of desert. He does have a worker somwhere.
11 with Ivory. 12 with 3H stone. (Already on ivory.)
44 vs 45. You get 10%. So unless you move about 50 it has no impact.
Happy with sword into galley and move that 2e.
Chariot to move 2n1E of beijing. Worker moved there already.
Other chariot heading 2N1E.
Any other changes? Green to end turn?
I assume all swords back to beijing next turn? Only loses a turn moving 0.3 one back.
I would prefer mehmed move as we can only see top half of map here. Top 30 tiles. map goes down 60 tiles?
Chariot onto gold next turn unless we want attack force in place sooner?
Green to end turn my? Then I can edit up next turn.
Library whip next turn.
Romans on alphabet. (22 turns.)
Cow or gold for chariot? What does test show? Mongolia still slow building something 351 invested.
Bomber to Mehmed? All happy?
Library whip.
Chariot near FV can head closer to Mongolia.
Major shock! Archer and LB in city. Someone pass me some water.
Worker near beijing to stone. if it moves directly onto other tile it loses it's turn.
2 archers and a lot of desert. He does have a worker somwhere.
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Test how it's looking after chopping
Never know with SP.
Whipping in Bejing should be counter productive now, we want no unhappy so we can work all that nice Ivory and stone i think.
Okay Ivory then i think.
Just galley, Sword can heal in HK for another turn and board next one imo.
Green on other stuff.
Mehmed has no open borders with Toku or Roosy, should be safe for our bomber (at least i cannot think of something that could go wrong).
Yep on Swords, we have a road on wheat so they both have the same travel time.
Depends if we can see Mongolia already on gold, otherwise on cows should be better..will test that.
Green bear
Okay we can see Mongolia from gold, green on that too
I would say on gold for earlier info.
Sweet and annoying at the same time, JC would trade Alpha but 22t ouch..
well i guess still better than self teching, he should speed up on that a bit?
Happy with bomber into Istanbul, we should have one turn spare to scout.
Well our worker does not lose a turn if we finish road on stone first.
So it's one turn into improving stone and /cancel.
Never know with SP.
Whipping in Bejing should be counter productive now, we want no unhappy so we can work all that nice Ivory and stone i think.
Okay Ivory then i think.
Just galley, Sword can heal in HK for another turn and board next one imo.
Green on other stuff.
Mehmed has no open borders with Toku or Roosy, should be safe for our bomber (at least i cannot think of something that could go wrong).
Yep on Swords, we have a road on wheat so they both have the same travel time.
Depends if we can see Mongolia already on gold, otherwise on cows should be better..will test that.
Green bear
Okay we can see Mongolia from gold, green on that too
I would say on gold for earlier info.
Sweet and annoying at the same time, JC would trade Alpha but 22t ouch..
well i guess still better than self teching, he should speed up on that a bit?
Happy with bomber into Istanbul, we should have one turn spare to scout.
Well our worker does not lose a turn if we finish road on stone first.
So it's one turn into improving stone and /cancel.
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Totally agree with lymond!
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Time to switch Ep? Stalin or Toku?
Archer in Beijing to PL.
Not moved worker to stone yet.
Regarding worker. That was why I suggested it. We lose a turn moving to grassland. Where on stone he can still road to the west next turn.
JC likely went IW first.
Yep that is why I held back moving him as we are planning for mongolia. Moved sword now.
We still want chaiot in PL? Or switch to something else and get 2 in Beijing
Just EP. Plus any other changes? Otherwise green bear?
To steal any techs we will need alphabet. At present that could be hard.
30+3+2x15+1=63? or 2x14+33 Either way I think it will work. Food and commerce is nicer with ivory.
We'll stick with chariot in PL.
Hong Kong build. Granary but it will take ages till border pop and fish.
Silk to save happiness looks good.
I have no more suggestions here. JC ep fine. Switch to 2xivory and silk.
Will settle new city next turn. We have currency next turn too.
Green bear?
For bomber I suggest furthest west but maybe slight south too?
Light bulb moment! That green gave me great encouragement.
Citizen would do it this turn or next.
27+10%=29
Time to switch Ep? Stalin or Toku?
Archer in Beijing to PL.
Not moved worker to stone yet.
Regarding worker. That was why I suggested it. We lose a turn moving to grassland. Where on stone he can still road to the west next turn.
JC likely went IW first.
Yep that is why I held back moving him as we are planning for mongolia. Moved sword now.
We still want chaiot in PL? Or switch to something else and get 2 in Beijing
Just EP. Plus any other changes? Otherwise green bear?
To steal any techs we will need alphabet. At present that could be hard.
30+3+2x15+1=63? or 2x14+33 Either way I think it will work. Food and commerce is nicer with ivory.
We'll stick with chariot in PL.
Hong Kong build. Granary but it will take ages till border pop and fish.
Silk to save happiness looks good.
I have no more suggestions here. JC ep fine. Switch to 2xivory and silk.
Will settle new city next turn. We have currency next turn too.
Green bear?
For bomber I suggest furthest west but maybe slight south too?
Light bulb moment! That green gave me great encouragement.
Citizen would do it this turn or next.
27+10%=29
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Okay, Archer in Bejing must stay or we get unhappy as Sword leaves 1nw.
Worker to stone yup.
We need some city micro for Bejing, Choko should be produced in 2t after chariot so Swords & Choko can move at the same time.
Yep sure, we already have 18h in PL chariot and it can help with Mongolia.
We also need some thoughts for GP farm, would be unhappy if we grow now.
Let's use silk instead of Rice, gives us 25/26.
Another Ivory tile in Bejing i think instead of Rice, we cannot grow for now anyways.
Yep always granary first, in HK too. Needs no border pop.
Hmm EP..i would say we keep them on JC this turn, or we lose tech sight again (we would like knowing if he speeds up with Alpha).
Hold on for a couple minutes please
Might have an idea for GP farm, but not sure yet.
Umm need to double check, we might need an extra hammer for workboat in 1t..
Worker to stone yup.
We need some city micro for Bejing, Choko should be produced in 2t after chariot so Swords & Choko can move at the same time.
Yep sure, we already have 18h in PL chariot and it can help with Mongolia.
We also need some thoughts for GP farm, would be unhappy if we grow now.
Let's use silk instead of Rice, gives us 25/26.
Another Ivory tile in Bejing i think instead of Rice, we cannot grow for now anyways.
Yep always granary first, in HK too. Needs no border pop.
Hmm EP..i would say we keep them on JC this turn, or we lose tech sight again (we would like knowing if he speeds up with Alpha).
Hold on for a couple minutes please
Might have an idea for GP farm, but not sure yet.
Umm need to double check, we might need an extra hammer for workboat in 1t..
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There was a tremendous amount of analysis that went into my greenTotally agree with lymond!
Uh oh..My has an idea!
Any other changes?
Okay time to end turn.
Russians roading towards mongolia. haha.
Uploaded.
Lots to decide.
Alphabet a a placement tech. Calendar could be useful.
Americans will talk.
They all have 0 gold. So ceasefire or peace treaty with americans. Peace seems better.
If we build our city will he road round it. Actually him roading our city would be great. Wait?
80.21 hammers. What discount do Deity AI get? Would he use the gold tile and build a wonder?
Okay time to end turn.
Russians roading towards mongolia. haha.
Uploaded.
Lots to decide.
Alphabet a a placement tech. Calendar could be useful.
Americans will talk.
They all have 0 gold. So ceasefire or peace treaty with americans. Peace seems better.
If we build our city will he road round it. Actually him roading our city would be great. Wait?
80.21 hammers. What discount do Deity AI get? Would he use the gold tile and build a wonder?
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Stalin roading is really awesome lol, should connect directly with our gold city.
Does this really look like a library now in Mongolia? I cannot believe that, why did he not grow?
So yup pause, big turn and i need to do some other stuff like cooking
Probably not back for playing, maybe for some comments or testing.
Want to do something else on Sundays too.
Does this really look like a library now in Mongolia? I cannot believe that, why did he not grow?
So yup pause, big turn and i need to do some other stuff like cooking
Probably not back for playing, maybe for some comments or testing.
Want to do something else on Sundays too.
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Not eaten yet but I can be around later.
Tech wise.
Calendar offers MM wonder. We also have silk, dye and Incense that we could source locally. Some we would have to build new cities for. How bad is our happiness?
Compass - Optics. Useful for map exploration and astronomy.
Construction? We already have CKN and a bomber. Not urgent.
Monarchy - All Ai would likely trade this. Would be useful for happiness but won't win us the game.
Aesth route - We already have philosophy. Free G artist does not seem worth it. HE might be nice or too late? Hmmm.
Alphabet - To trade techs with Ai for gold? To date only one Ai has a tech we can trade. None of the Ai so far have any gold. Useful but frustrating as we know Ai are teching this.
CS - Could we steal this anyway? I think so.
So compass or calendar look most interesting here. My only fear is the slowness of the AI to tech anything here.
GP farm. Should probably run scientists once it has workboat. HK can always whip next WB.
Moscow. I wonder if we could hit this with chariots? At present it would take too long with our planned chariot rush on Mongolia. The route west has just got much quicker.
Will need to decide on bomber too. Once we attack Mongolia we can assume that means closed borders.
Lots of other decisions to make this turn.
Tech wise.
Calendar offers MM wonder. We also have silk, dye and Incense that we could source locally. Some we would have to build new cities for. How bad is our happiness?
Compass - Optics. Useful for map exploration and astronomy.
Construction? We already have CKN and a bomber. Not urgent.
Monarchy - All Ai would likely trade this. Would be useful for happiness but won't win us the game.
Aesth route - We already have philosophy. Free G artist does not seem worth it. HE might be nice or too late? Hmmm.
Alphabet - To trade techs with Ai for gold? To date only one Ai has a tech we can trade. None of the Ai so far have any gold. Useful but frustrating as we know Ai are teching this.
CS - Could we steal this anyway? I think so.
So compass or calendar look most interesting here. My only fear is the slowness of the AI to tech anything here.
GP farm. Should probably run scientists once it has workboat. HK can always whip next WB.
Moscow. I wonder if we could hit this with chariots? At present it would take too long with our planned chariot rush on Mongolia. The route west has just got much quicker.
Will need to decide on bomber too. Once we attack Mongolia we can assume that means closed borders.
Lots of other decisions to make this turn.
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