Should AHMADINEJAD visit Ground Zero? Columbia?

[Japanrocks12]

why not? it's better to have some semblance of peace rather than none at all

 

[Japanrocks12]

Well, that is what Ahjihad wants to do. Anyone who thinks he is going there to mourn dead americans is too stupid to breath. He wants to go there to pay respect to the hijackers. Should we really allow (or even support via taxpayer security) for him to do this?

Why do you think everyone from Clinton to McCain is outraged?!

how can you prove this without resorting to any ad hominem attacks? I'd like to see you try.

 

[FoxURA]

why not? it's better to have some semblance of peace rather than none at all

I would rather not have a semblance of peace followed by a bullet in the back.

Iran is the main culprit responsible for sending suicide bombers into Iraq that in turn kill both Iraqis and any foreigners they can find regardless if they are military or not.

In other words, as the leader of Iran, Ahmadinejad is responsible for the murder of innocent civilians and American soldiers. Before he mourns for those lost on 9/11 I would like to see him honestly plead for forgiveness and mourn for those in Iraq he is responsible for killing including both American service personnel and civilians.

 

[Ecofarm]

Ad hominem attacks? Just look at what Ahjihad says himself. Do you think he wants to mourn dead Americans?

Really?

 

[Japanrocks12]

Ad hominem attacks? Just look at what Ahjihad says himself. Do you think he wants to mourn dead Americans?

Really?

he gives this apocalyptic warning. that's expected. my question to you is why he can't acknowledge the death of Americans and carry out his "see the light, you American devils" stance simultaneously. It might just be a way to (marginally) improve himself in the light of the majority of Americans, but I don't understand why he won't commemorate the death and why he can't. It is, sort of, in his benefit to do so

 

[Ecofarm]

So? Who cares if he is willing to make some political gesture? None believes that he really MOURNS for dead Americans, at least noone with 1/2 a brain.

 

[Japanrocks12]

So? Who cares if he is willing to make some political gesture? None believes that he really MOURNS for dead Americans, at least noone with 1/2 a brain.

ad hom attack number one dude, you fail already. so he hates America. we know that, fifty times over. does that make him unable to mourn however?

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

So? Who cares if he is willing to make some political gesture? None believes that he really MOURNS for dead Americans, at least noone with 1/2 a brain.

If he's a pious Muslim, which he at least seems to be, then there's no reason he wouldn't pray for them. Believe it or not, there are people who do actually care, whether you think the do - or want them to - or not.

 

[Ecofarm]

I'm not going to continue to defend the OBVIOUS fact that Ahjihad wants to go to the WTC site to pay respect to the hijackers.

You'll see the obvious eventually.

"He's a pious guy" "Just paying respects to dead Americans and praying for them".

 

[Japanrocks12]

I'm not going to continue to defend the OBVIOUS fact that Ahjihad wants to go to the WTC site to pay respect to the hijackers.

You'll see the obvious eventually.

"He's a pious guy" "Just paying respects to dead Americans and praying for them".

you still haven't answered my question. Since when does being the ultimate America hater obstruct one's ability to mourn and sympathize?

 

[FoxURA]

ad hom attack number one dude, you fail already. so he hates America. we know that, fifty times over. does that make him unable to mourn however?

Iran is the main culprit responsible for sending suicide bombers into Iraq that in turn kill both Iraqis and any foreigners they can find regardless if they are military or not.

In other words, as the leader of Iran, Ahmadinejad is responsible for the murder of innocent civilians and American soldiers. Before he mourns for those lost on 9/11 I would like to see him honestly plead for forgiveness and mourn for those in Iraq he is responsible for killing including both American service personnel and civilians.

(I just discovered that quotes don't count towards the minimum word requirement.)

 

[George2816]

Didn't our own intel say that saudi arabia was the sending more suicide bombers then anywhere else?

 

[Ecofarm]

you still haven't answered my question. Since when does being the ultimate America hater obstruct one's ability to mourn and sympathize?

It does not necessarily obstruct one's ability to mourn and sympathize (in general); however, his words make it very clear that he does not mourn for or sympathize with America - period.

I wrote earlier that I was done with this, and now I've gone again and responded to someone asking for "proof" that Ahjihad has no mourning or sympathy for America. The idea that he does has absolutley no basis in reality. I'm done.

 

[Japanrocks12]

(I just discovered that quotes don't count towards the minimum word requirement.)

you do bring up a valid point, and I want to say that I agree in wanting him to express mourning for what he's done in Iran. However we have to keep in mind that 9/11 was not of his doing and involved American civilians who were by no means armed targets or even in any zones were combat was occurring. You see, a lot of the terrorist leaders I've seen have two stances. A great number of them actually feel sorry for what had to be done in order to make the ruthless American capitalist blah blah see their folly, while the other group wants to see them all die. How do we know which one Ahmadenijad is and how can we make any judgments about whether he intends to mourn them or not?

 

[A1CBOZ]

Didn't our own intel say that saudi arabia was the sending more suicide bombers then anywhere else?

Uh... no (10 chars)

 

[Ecofarm]

How do we know which one Ahmadenijad is and how can we make any judgments about whether he intends to mourn them or not?

Just look at what he says! He is not here on personal vacation. He is here as the representative for the Iranian government. And he is answering charges that he continues to violate UN resolutions regarding the developemnt of nuclear materials.

I don't think he should even be allowed in the country, let alone allowed to go sight-seeing.

 

[A1CBOZ]

Just look at what he says!

Dude, some people will argue until they are blue in the face and pass out. Some will go up to a stop sign and say "You do NOT say stop!". And i see in that same category there are people who actually believe that Ahmadjihad really mourns Americans. Even though we are evil infidels that deserve to have our heads abruptly removed from our bodies. My advice to you, don't argue with morons, no offence Japanrocks12

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

It's ironic that we are "infidels," really, because the Q'uran preaches tolerance of the other Abrahamic religions, calling us "people of the Book," people who don't need to be converted, because we have already recieved God's message.

 

[A1CBOZ]

It's ironic that we are "infidels," really, because the Q'uran preaches tolerance of the other Abrahamic religions, calling us "people of the Book," people who don't need to be converted, because we have already recieved God's message.

But of course our democratic society, universal suffrage, religious freedom and our tolerance for immense amounts of BS has caused us to be infidels deserving of the sword! Can't you see that!! It's clear to me.... clear as mud...

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Well to be fair, it's probably our insisted version of secularism that puts us most at odds with the Muslim world, which for the most part doesn't recognize the need for such a degree of seperation between church and state.

Of course, I'm sure every little thing has been exascerbated by the powers that be, or were, for political reasons. On both sides.