Should it be harder for Asians to get into good schools?

[warpus]

In America, 'Asians' seem to refer to East Asians, and they all seem to be regarded in pretty much the same way.

In the UK, 'Asians' usually refer to South Asians, while East Asians are either Chinese or Other. It's kind of ********, but that's how it is.

That's mostly for government statistics though, no?

When I say "Asian" I mean anybody from Asia, not just east asians. Granted i'm not from the U.S., but Canada's kinda close..

 

[Pangur Bán]

In America, 'Asians' seem to refer to East Asians, and they all seem to be regarded in pretty much the same way.

In the UK, 'Asians' usually refer to South Asians, while East Asians are either Chinese or Other. It's kind of ********, but that's how it is.

Having lived in both countries, that's exactly how it is. The eastern (archaically "mongoloid") Asians have not been numerous in the UK compared to "south Asians". Essentially people called "Indians" before the break off of those other states are now called "Asians", and it is odd to refer to a Korean as an "Asian" in conversational UK English. There's no commonly accepted acceptable or high-register term for M-Asians. The closest is "oriental" (but there is a demotic term, the same as the one in the US, beginning with C and ending with k).

 

[squall78]

No way. I'm Asian and am not in the stereotype of 4.0 A+ USA #1. I study very hard to get to 3.0 range.... Colleges should have an AA type of deal for low income parent/students.

 

[Shaihulud]

Unless for good reasons, everyone should be gain entrance based on merit. I find that Asians are much savvy at examinations, putting more emphasis on a project based scoring will average out the results somewhat.

 

[Zelig]

Yes, there should be enough AA to deny any excess Asian school admission resulting from excess studying due to obsessive parents.

 

[aelf]

That's mostly for government statistics though, no?

For the UK, yes. I actually have no idea what people call East Asians here.

 

[warpus]

For the UK, yes. I actually have no idea what people call East Asians here.

And FWIW I could be totally wrong about Canada. It's possible people refer here to east asians as "asians" and I've been misinterpreting.. The subject doesn't exactly come up very frequently..

 

[Quackers]

In my experience:

Far-east (china, korea etc): Chinese,
South asian (india, bangladesh, pakistani): indian!
Middle Eastern (iraq, syria etc): There isn't a common term for them. I'll go for Arab.

 

[warpus]

It's a slow day, I'm going to ask random people in the office what "Asian" means to them

 

[civ_king]

In America, 'Asians' seem to refer to East Asians, and they all seem to be regarded in pretty much the same way.

In the UK, 'Asians' usually refer to South Asians, while East Asians are either Chinese or Other. It's kind of ********, but that's how it is.

I was told I wasn't Asian even though I'm Indian...

I have never taken classes to study for the SAT, my school is entirely in portables and borders the inner city, both my city and school district have been bankrupt during my time in high school, my parents marriage teetered dangerously close to imploding for years during high school and I still pulled off 1380 combined in Reading and Math (writing is my fatal weakness, 490) . So what if I'm Indian, other should still be able to pull off halfway decent scores in this environment.

 

[Yeekim]

Colleges should have an AA type of deal for low income parent/students.

No, low income families should have access to preliminary education good enough to get them into colleges without such nonsense.

 

[Mango Elephant]

Nope. I don't believe in A-A. I think its disrespectful even it is the positive way. I might hop on board A-A in terms of economic background but not on a racial one.

I agree. A rich, privileged black and a poor trashy white apply to the same school, A-A should work for the poor white.

 

[NetGear]

No, low income families should have access to preliminary education good enough to get them into colleges without such nonsense.

No matter how easy the access to education is made, families with more resources will always have advantage, so a just lil recognition to people in that situation wouldn't be a bad thing imo.

 

[Yeekim]

No matter how easy the access to education is made, families with more resources will always have advantage, so a just lil recognition to people in that situation wouldn't be a bad thing imo.

Then people with fewer resources need to overcome that disadvantage by working harder or being more talented naturally. The problem can also be mitigated by making more places available in colleges.

 

[aelf]

Then people with fewer resources need to overcome that disadvantage by working harder or being more talented naturally.

That goes without saying. But doing nothing to support them more than their more privileged counterparts strikes me as a rather mean thing to do.

 

[Traitorfish]

Then people with fewer resources need to overcome that disadvantage by working harder or being more talented naturally.

Unequal opportunities can be resolved by shutting up and getting on with things?

 

[Yeekim]

That goes without saying. But doing nothing to support them more than their more privileged counterparts strikes me as a rather mean thing to do.

Any decent society should help along their less fortunate members, obviously.

I think sports is a good analogy. If there is a promising athlete with insufficient means, you help him/her to obtain proper equipment and to hire a good trainer.

You don't come and demand that someone with inferior results is included in the team "because, being from underprivileged background, he couldn't afford to train".

 

[aelf]

So in your society poor people who don't have as much resources to throw at achieving academic excellence must either be more academically gifted than their privileged counterparts or be good athletes? How about those who grew up in home environments that don't impart to them the kind of value system necessary to succeed in school?

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

It's their fault they're poor and have little resources anyway. Any individual is always in complete, total control of their socioeconomic situation. Always.

 

[Yeekim]

So in your society poor people who don't have as much resources to throw at achieving academic excellence must either be more academically gifted than their privileged counterparts or be good athletes?

What? No, the athlete example was just an analogy to demonstrate my belief that poor kids should receive help that would make it easier for them win an honest competition, rather than just be declared to have won.

Also, "no one left behind" policies are idiotic. If we want to help low-income kids - a noble and necessary pursuit - they need to be competing against other low-income kids - and the winners be given a stipend, transfer to top-grade school or whatever we can think of. The losers... well, there are still lousy jobs robots aren't doing.

How about those who grew up in home environments that don't impart to them the kind of value system necessary to succeed in school?

Well, what do you suggest? I am doubtful that without such value system, free university places for them are going to be of much benefit to anyone. Sadly.