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Single Player bugs and crashes v38 plus (SVN) - After the 20th of February 2018

Discussion in 'Bugs and Crashes' started by Dancing Hoskuld, Feb 24, 2018.

  1. Toffer90

    Toffer90 C2C Modder

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    The we should add a note to the OP of an appropriate thread that windows 7 users need to set BtS to XP compatibility mode to avoid certain crashes with C2C.
    Which thread would be appropriate, FAQ?
    I have windows 7 and C2C crashes ▬ Run BtS in XP compatibility before reporting the crash.​

    Perhaps a new thread... called... "Windows version & system setup"
     
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  2. Thunderbrd

    Thunderbrd C2C War Dog

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    At least if they experience a crash to try that before they send it to us. But at this point I will definitely not be losing sleep when I see these ntdll crashes anymore - between what @Anq showed me on how to get more heap info on a mini and an expanded understanding that crashes there that I can't duplicate are due to a difference in op systems, I at least now know what to say when these come up and I should mention it when I talk about troubleshooting in the v39 Player's Guide
    I think it was Alberts2 who pointed out something was more forgiving in Win10 recently - might've had to do with this same kinda thing. I've forgotten more about all this stuff than I've learned sometimes. I have to wonder if somehow it's pulling up a Null message reference. The mini doesn't show the process step by step so some of the information the intellisense would give is not available, which is why it's often better to be able to run the attached debug dll. We'd certainly know where to put a breakpoint to evaluate things but we'd need to run the debugging on Win7 to see if there's anything more it could tell us as it enters the crash spiral. I have win7 on another system but I wouldn't be able to run VS on it now.
     
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  3. lightning551

    lightning551 Chieftain

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    I found it. Its complex traits. None of the other traits options are selected.
    Phillip has spiritual and imperialistic. Everyone else has 3,
     
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  4. Thunderbrd

    Thunderbrd C2C War Dog

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    Right... because Fanatical has no equivalence. You'll get that on occasion with Complex traits - it really is more designed for use with Developing Leaders. The leaders themselves are not well updated to the slightly different list in Complex Traits and there are a ton of traits in Complex that no leader has been given any access to at all because they don't exist in the core. Leaders need a modular update with replacements to bring them in line with Complex if you're not going to play on Developing Leaders. It's not going to cause problems, per se, but it's a known deficiency that exists right now. I should've remembered this when you brought this up but I forgot there were a few that couldn't be equated when they were removed.
     
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  5. raxo2222

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    Apparently Windows XP compatibility mode slowsdown PPIO a lot....
     
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  6. AIAndy

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    It could also be that the actual bug is some wild pointer overwriting/corrupting page management data that happens to cause a crash on Windows 7 while being checked for in Windows 10. Unfortunately if that is the case it is very hard to find out which access did that in the first place.
     
  7. lightning551

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    Thanks. I didn't realize that it wasn't supposed to be taken alone.
     
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  8. Toffer90

    Toffer90 C2C Modder

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    It probably slows down BtS in general, not PPIO specifically, I would think.
     
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  9. Thunderbrd

    Thunderbrd C2C War Dog

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    Well you CAN, and it's supposed to be possible to do, but there's a few glitches in that approach and the full spectrum of it's design is largely ignored that way.
     
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  10. raxo2222

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    @Thunderbrd there is bug with path movement cost:

    Trail actually increases movement cost by 20% and Path doesn't change it at all.
    Spoiler :

    routes.jpg

    I noticed that Maglev and Vactrain have same color, same with Gravity Train/Jumplane.

    Edit: I changed Trail and Patch movement cost.
    Now Trail is *0.9, and Patch is *0.8.

    Also removed tech improvements from Road - there are two routes after it before this tech is researched.
     
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  11. KaTiON_PT

    KaTiON_PT Emperor

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    I might be able to help, I've been dabbling in nifskope for a while now.

    upload_2019-7-16_10-57-37.png

    Preferably I'd like to make a new model for it as all I know right now is re-texturing and moving the geometries around.
     
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  12. TaylorItaly

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    Something not right with BUG Options Screen.
    Latest SVN.
     

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  13. Toffer90

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    Most likely related to PPIO. You may have installed it wrong.
    Try doing a clean install of C2C and PPIO.
     
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    Mmh,i am a bit lost.
    I updated to latest SVN and copy PIPO over it.
    Still missing the options.
     
  15. raxo2222

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    You have to delete your user settings
     
  16. TaylorItaly

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    :shifty::crazyeye:
    Blame on me.....
    Thanks ,that was it....
    Silly , it is day and i perform bad...:mischief:
     
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  17. alberts2

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    Trail should be at 1 like it was before.
     
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  18. raxo2222

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    Okay :)

    Now its at 1.
     
  19. Thunderbrd

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    Good catches on the routes. Everything seemed normal to me in play but I just have a small window into the larger picture of the game world at any given time in a game.
     
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    With Revision 10688 or 10689 the promotions that give double movement in forest/hill plots don't work anymore.
     

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