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Single Player bugs and crashes v38 plus (SVN) - After the 20th of February 2018

Discussion in 'Bugs and Crashes' started by Dancing Hoskuld, Feb 24, 2018.

  1. Thunderbrd

    Thunderbrd C2C War Dog

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    Pretty close to what I suggested. Though I'd let a player also choose to abandon the animals and keep upgrading the unit militarily as an option as well though.
     
  2. Dancing Hoskuld

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    The problem is that the unit should only be getting animal like promotions. The humans involved are basically handlers feeding the critters. Thus any upgrade to a non-animal unit makes no sense. Upgrading a cavalry unit to a light tank unit makes sense because half of the unit remains. In this case 95% or more of the unit is lost and those that remain are not really combat trained.
     
  3. Thunderbrd

    Thunderbrd C2C War Dog

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    That's exactly why units are now able to retrain promotions that are lost.
     
  4. Dancing Hoskuld

    Dancing Hoskuld Deity

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    But the handlers were not the ones getting the promotions. Why should they get to "keep" anything?
     
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    When the Elementary School is obsoleted, you cannot build the Megatower (Education Level) in new / conquered cities anymore. As a consequence, you cannot build Holographic Schools there, either. These cities get a lot less education than the cities you already held before Mind Uploading. Since books don't obsolete anymore IIRC, at least the Elementary School could continue to work (it would be replaced by the Holographic School anyway). Or you give an alternative prerequisite for the Megatower (Education Level), like Instant Education Center (should become available at the same time). Or you give a prerequisite that doesn't obsolete at all, like Library or University.
     
  6. raxo2222

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    I used your pattern.
    There were no
    <TargetLevelbyEraType>
    <EraType>ERA_XXXX</EraType>
    <iTargetLevel>#####</iTargetLevel>
    </TargetLevelbyEraType>
    for AIs for Information, Nanotech, Cosmic and Transcendent eras.

    Now it looks like this:
    Code:
                    <TargetLevelbyEraType>
                        <EraType>ERA_MODERN</EraType>
                        <iTargetLevel>1100</iTargetLevel>
                    </TargetLevelbyEraType>
                    <TargetLevelbyEraType>
                        <EraType>ERA_INFORMATION</EraType>
                        <iTargetLevel>2600</iTargetLevel>
                    </TargetLevelbyEraType>
                    <TargetLevelbyEraType>
                        <EraType>ERA_NANOTECH</EraType>
                        <iTargetLevel>5100</iTargetLevel>
                    </TargetLevelbyEraType>
                    <TargetLevelbyEraType>
                        <EraType>ERA_TRANSHUMAN</EraType>
                        <iTargetLevel>10100</iTargetLevel>
                    </TargetLevelbyEraType>
                    <TargetLevelbyEraType>
                        <EraType>ERA_GALACTIC</EraType>
                        <iTargetLevel>25100</iTargetLevel>
                    </TargetLevelbyEraType>
                    <TargetLevelbyEraType>
                        <EraType>ERA_COSMIC</EraType>
                        <iTargetLevel>50100</iTargetLevel>
                    </TargetLevelbyEraType>
                    <TargetLevelbyEraType>
                        <EraType>ERA_TRANSCENDENT</EraType>
                        <iTargetLevel>100100</iTargetLevel>
                    </TargetLevelbyEraType>
                    <TargetLevelbyEraType>
                        <EraType>ERA_FUTURE</EraType>
                        <iTargetLevel>200100</iTargetLevel>
                    </TargetLevelbyEraType>
    I'll set operational limits to +-2000000

    I added defines for last 3 eras.
    Now it is:
    10 25 50 (Prehistoric, Ancient Classical)
    100 250 500 (Medieval, Renaissance, Industrial)
    1000 2500 5000 (Modern, Information, Nanotech)
    10 000, 25 000, 50 000 (Transhuman, Galactic, Cosmic)
    100 000, (AI goal for future set at 200 100) (Transcendent, Future)

    Changed AI education goal levels:
    Modern - 1100, was 1100
    Information - 2600, was no defined goal
    Nanotech - 5100, was no defined goal.
    Transhuman - 11 000, was 2600
    Galactic - 25 100, was 5100
    Cosmic - 50 100, was no defined goal
    Transcendent - 100 100, was no defined goal.
    Future - 200 100, was 10100
     
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  7. Thunderbrd

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    Why do War Elephants keep anything when they upgrade to tanks?
     
  8. Thunderbrd

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    You want to take a shot at sorting this one out Rax?

    Well done. Thanks!
     
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  9. raxo2222

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    Yes.
    I modified a lot of things in file, where megatower is, it will be committed after release.
    I think giving university prereq for that is best - if you have university in city, then most likely you have all other school related things.
    Spoiler :

    Civ4BeyondSword 2018-06-08 17-50-33-07.jpg
     
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  10. strategyonly

    strategyonly C2C Supreme Commander

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    I got this, but i have no idea what it is about???

    Unit stuck in loop( Warning before short circuit (pass: 1) ): Modern Battleship(de Witt)[36, 42] (attack sea)
    thru
    Unit stuck in loop( Warning before short circuit (pass: 9) ): Modern Battleship(de Witt)[36, 42] (attack sea)
     
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    Sounds like something went wrong in code.
    Upload save, so @Thunderbrd may look at this bug.
     
  12. Thunderbrd

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    Are you running the debug dll?
     
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    strategyonly C2C Supreme Commander

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    no this was in the MP log
     
  14. Dancing Hoskuld

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    They don't except when you use the Unlimited XP game option! I feel they should loose about half there XP, all inappropriate promotions and up to half their levels. The last just means they need fewer XP to get their next promotions.
     
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    Well then, Mapinguari would operate the same way under the same non-option use.

    Not sure why you feel it's so critical to enforce your opinion on this... why do we not have harmony in our disagreement due to the option's existence? I don't enjoy units losing levels because they upgrade.

    But back to the point, what promotions do Elephant units lose when they upgrade to tanks? They'd lose the same ones on or off Unlimited XP. And if they were skill promos they'd be retrainable (replaced by selections made the next round) either way. And if they are free promos, they're just lost - again either way. The option does nothing in regards to what's lost and what would be retrainable. That has everything to do with the unit type keeping only what continues to be a valid promotion for the next type of unit.
     
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  16. Thunderbrd

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    OK. It is an issue to resolve but not too critical unless it's causing a crash or infiniloop.
     
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    nope neither . .
     
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    I should get your save though. That's the only way I'll find the problem.
     
  19. Dancing Hoskuld

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    Because it is not the elephants upgrading it is their riders; spearmen, archers and the like being moved around by the animal. In the case of the Mapinguari there are no humans actually involved in the combat. Therefore the humans are not getting any experience also there is noting left of the unit when the animal is removed. Think of horse artillery upgrading to automobile artillery, when this happened two of the five person team were no longer needed as there sole job was holding the horses while the others worked the gun. In the case of Mapingauri there is nothing left as all the humans and only concerned with handling the animal when it is not in combat.
     
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    I'm not convinced the animal is all there is to it. You've really based it on a spearman template so as to suggest there are spearmen handlers. Similar all-animal logic could be used for Rhinos too.
     

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