So what is really going on in Iraq?

[SomethingWitty]

Uhm...how long ago was that Noncon? Remember, he had WMD in the past and even used it. So, how were you able to discern that he had no WMD? Crystal ball?

Crystal ball? How about the UN weapons inspectors who were given free access to everywhere and said there weren't any WMDS.

 

[FriendlyFire]

+Oil production is at an ALL-TIME low

I agree with you here, but I feel that's it's an unfortunate aftershock from the war.

This is hugely ironic since the US military secured the ministray of oil and oil infrastructure (a logical and good choice as oil production would help postwar Iraq) yet failed to secure Iraqs nuclear research facilities allowing looters to steal equipment including redioactive materials capabale to producing a "dirty bomb".

+There are no WMD's
Yes, there are, but if I told you where they are, I'd have to kill you.

Pssst you should tell the president / US weapon inspector teams / Homeland sercurity

It doesn't take a genius to figure out people do not like foreign armies in their country, since you are a "historian", maybe you should look up the history of people welcoming foreign armies intheir countries. And then re-evaluate, "what you know".

Yes, most countries don't like foreign armies in their countries, but you can't possibly say that Iraq is not better off without Saddam Hussein.

Wolfwitz come forward and publicly stated that they expected Iraq to be like post war France. Cheney expected the US to be greeting with flowers and dancing. With out a "realistic" postwar plan the problem of the insurgency has been made worse.

 

[Kayak]

I understand. The only thing I can say is that if you're ever on Maxwell AFB, stop by and see me in my office the Ira C. Eaker College for Professional Development.

Mano, I don't doubt your credentials. But you are saying that you have information of positive progress that the administration would love to trumpet. In addition, none of the press or analysts seem to agree with the military's or administrations' assesment of the future. Given the track record of all three (press/military/government) who do you think has the most credibility at the moment? Remember that reporters are there too, some of them longer than the average soldiers' tour and with greater access to different parts of the country. Yes, I know that the press tends to lead with the blood, but looking at stories as a whole it seems that there must be a giant press conspiricy to prevent the "good" news from getting out.


Now here is an interesting tidbit I heard on the radio (NPR) just now(sorry I can't get a full transcript):

Economist Joseph Stiglitz estimates that the Iraq war could cost the US between $1-2 TRILLION. Stiglitz and co-author Linda Bilmes considered factors including recruiting costs, damaged military equipment, and healthcare.

So much for a quick easy cheap war paid for by Iraqi oil money

 

[Neomega]

Why do liberals always have to answer in an arrogant tone? Anyway...

Why do Bush lovers always assume someone who doesn't like the Iraq war is a liberal?

I come on here arrogant because I don't appreciate someone who really does not understand human nature in the least, suddenly start talking like an expert because he reads "secret documents", this never was about "secret documents", it was about a war that killed 10's of thousands of innocent people for oil. It is about an arrogant nation stealing the lamb of a poor man like King David, all to avoid a little economic hardship. It is about a nation so gluttonous, it has to kill to keep up it's consuming habits.

Quite simply, I come on here arrogant, because I am sick of explaining things to the undeducated.

Your secret documents do not justify this war.

+There are no WMD's

Yes, there are, but if I told you where they are, I'd have to kill you.

Yeah right. Let me guess, they are in Syria, c'mon America, let us bomb one more country, and then we will find those WMD's we told you about! Saddam moved his centrifuge to Syria! I swear!

EVEN IF THEY WERE, Saddam did not use them on our forces on the field, he most certainly was not going to send them over to America. I am not a knee shaking little wimp that gets scared by neocon fear pandering.

Join the other conspiracy theory nuts who think Saddam was saving them up for "the big game".

+Every single political paper game (constitution, voting, blah blah) has not slowed the insurgency one bit.

You're right! The only thing that will slow the insurgency is firepower and a more positive media.

Another old neocon saying I heard Frank Gaffney and Richard Pearle use time and time again "perception is reality". And it is, in a stable democracy. But when people family members are being thrown in jail, or killed, they do not forget, nor do they simply give up. "positive media" is not going to stop the insurgency. Now you sound like a liberal. "geez, all we have to do is sing songs to the insurgents and tell them everything is allright, and they will accept their new oil drinking overlords, and forget how they are being treated like animals... "

MORE FIREPOWER! Let's just nuke Fallujah and Bagdhad, that'll end it, and to hell with world opinion, it never mattered before.

You're dead wrong here. The folks I train are directly involved in information gathering in the field, thus I am very much up-to-speed on the subject.

In your comfy little American life, never having seen your country humiliated, never having seen your family members imprisoned, never having felt the weight of the world's superpower isolating you. You know a lot on paper, but nothing in reality. Worshiping your Christian president, and full of prejudiced thought, your mind is clouded and confused.

Yes, most countries don't like foreign armies in their countries, but you can't possibly say that Iraq is not better off without Saddam Hussein.

Nice feint, try to avoid the subject.

Every other neocon fortune telling experiment has been a disaster. If Iraq splits into violent civil war, I could definitely say they were better off with Saddam. Regardless, they don't like us there, and they certainly never wanted it to be like this.... and they certainly do not like the American troops.

Speaking of "Your job has nothing to do with the conversation at hand," what exactly do YOU do that involves more than just being an angry person?

I saved my money for years, and now I am persuing a dream. Why do you think I am angry? Because ignoramuses have let our government tank the American reputation in the name of some Christian fanatic holy war against Islam. I am sick of Christian fundamentalism running this country, and it's mindless drones never questioning thier government when it is only obvious this war was about imperialism, because he is "a good christian man"

I am sick of seeing racist idiotic emails sent out from Christian fundamentalist family members sarcasticly saying things like, "Oh I really feel sorry for people being tortured..." and then going on to list how evil Islam is and justifying torture.

I am sick of being called a jihadist sympathizer, when I love my country, and revere the founding fathers, and know the bill of rights by heart. I am sick of hearing the ignorant bleating of war lovers repeating everything they heard on FOX news verbatum to me.


EDIT: Oh and I forgot, you are bluffing... you have a tell. Read your own post about 20 times, and then you might find it, and not make the same mistake again.

 

[blackheart]

I understand. The only thing I can say is that if you're ever on Maxwell AFB, stop by and see me in my office the Ira C. Eaker College for Professional Development.

Where's Maxwell located at? I'm sorry if I came off snobbish, it's just that my past experience with credentials on the internet is a bit shaky.

 

[MobBoss]

I am sick of Christian fundamentalism running this country,

Then please by all means leave and find one you like.

I am sick of being called a jihadist sympathizer, when I love my country, and revere the founding fathers, and know the bill of rights by heart.

By far the funniest post I have read all day long!

 

[Archbob]

Its fine that its being run that way as long as they don't enforce their religious moral values on the rest of everyone else.

But then again the 1st amendment is supposed to prohibit that. And besides, it not like we can't vote them out the next election anyways.

 

[Neomega]

Now here is an interesting tidbit I heard on the radio (NPR) just now(sorry I can't get a full transcript):

Here you go:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1681119,00.html

Wolfowitz: $200 billion, no, it won't cost that much... I mean how much does it cost to clean up all the flowers and candy from the streets?

 

[MobBoss]

Crystal ball? How about the UN weapons inspectors who were given free access to everywhere and said there weren't any WMDS.

Oh..you mean the ones that Saddams agents ferried around in little vans and then he kicked them out of the country....repeatedly? The same ones that said Saddam wouldnt let them do their job? Those guys?

 

[MobBoss]

But then again the 1st amendment is supposed to prohibit that. And besides, it not like we can't vote them out the next election anyways.

Another funny post!!!....

 

[Archbob]

Well, Kerry's "I'm not Bush" platform almost worked. I'm sure if he Actually had a platform he would've won.

 

[MobBoss]

Well, Kerry's "I'm not Bush" platform almost worked. I'm sure if he Actually had a platform he would've won.

I thought he did have a platform...I won three purple hearts!!!!!

 

[Archbob]

I thought he did have a platform...I won three purple hearts!!!!!

Not thats more of "look at me I'm awesome" , not a real political platform.

 

[Neomega]

When cornered, the weak and frightened conservative war bleater (foxus propagandus) will begin to make Kerry jokes, hoping the impressive display of ferocious hatred will somehow hide how much ignorance they are harboring.

Many times this trick works. But more often then not they are eaten alive for it.

 

[nihilistic]

Heh, hanging out in the University district in Seattle appears to have baked Neomega to the point of paranoia and removal of rational thought.

Rational thought? You, who clamored to replace science with supernatural tales, are accusing him of being irrational? That's a nice piece of comedy.

 

[Neomega]

Rational thought? You, who clamored to replace science with supernatural tales, are accusing him of being irrational? That's a nice piece of comedy.

Oh.. hmmm... can't read insults if they are on the ignore list, but now that I see it, I am not a student, nor do I ever hang out in the university district. Try pegging me again, and maybe someone can quote you so I can see it.

 

[MobBoss]

Rational thought? You, who clamored to replace science with supernatural tales, are accusing him of being irrational? That's a nice piece of comedy.

Where ever did I say replace science with supernatural tales? Link please for proof. Back it up so I can see where you thought I did this.

 

[MobBoss]

When cornered, the weak and frightened conservative war bleater (foxus propagandus) will begin to make Kerry jokes, hoping the impressive display of ferocious hatred will somehow hide how much ignorance they are harboring.

Many times this trick works. But more often then not they are eaten alive for it.

Heh, neomega like to dish out the jokes himself but he cant take it. Seems he has me ignored since he cant take the heat. Oh well, I suppose some people prefer one sided debate....

 

[Archbob]

Guys, I was actually being serious, Kerry had like absolutely no platform. I voted for him simply because I thought Bush was a moron. I would've voted Arnold if he could run for republican ticket.

 

[Neomega]

Guys, I was actually being serious, Kerry had like absolutely no platform. I voted for him simply because I thought Bush was a moron. I would've voted Arnold if he could run for republican ticket.

I didn't vote for Kerry either, the guy was an idiot, not as ig of an idiot as Bush, but an idoit nonetheless.

It is just extremely aggravating when you finally have a Bush lover in a logical noose, they start badmouthing Kerry, as if that makes up for Bush being so stupid.