Some guy celebrates a victory over creationists

[civ2]

The ABILITY for humans to DENY G-d, is the ULTIMATE creation...
(Cause it's the ultimate concealment of G-dliness.)

I resign.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

And who are you - to say that it makes any difference whether I CALL them apes or monkeys or BACTERIA (and YOU ignored that change, of course)?

Paying close attention to the opposing argument is a crucial factor in debate. Do you disagree with this?

And what do YOU believe EXACTLY in???

I don't believe in any religious idea regarding the common origin and descent of life. As for evolution, the evidence speaks volumes.

 

[civ2]

ICBM
Now a serious question.
And with all these mounds of "secularism" - what is YOUR connection to G-d the Creator (whatever "name" you wanna call Him)???
Do you have ANY???

 

[useless]

The ABILITY for humans to DENY G-d, is the ULTIMATE creation...
(Cause it's the ultimate concealment of G-dliness.)

I resign.

What does this even mean?

So according to your logic, the fact that I can deny the existence of Zeus or Osiris means that both exist?

What?

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

ICBM
Now a serious question.
And with all these mounds of "secularism" - what is YOUR connection to G-d the Creator (whatever "name" you wanna call Him)???
Do you have ANY???

None. Why is this such an issue to you? I'm not forcing you to stop believing what you believe.

 

[civ2]

useless
Not quite.
Your ability to even consider them as "something worth talking about, even as jokes" is a part of you NOT SEEING G-d directly.
Otherwise you wouldn't talk about nonsenses, even as jokes.
And I'm not gonna "spam" now about the whole system of how G-d creates us through the use of "lights", thus the concept of concealment or "shading".

 

[useless]

No, because you're asserting that denying god exists means he must therefore exist, which is frankly quite a bizare claim.

 

[civ2]

ICBM
Evolution IS.
It denies the person the belief in the Creator as He is described openly in the Source.
It turns you into a mere over-grown BACTERIA - not a vessel for a holy SOUL.
But you can choose to stay a bacteria - G-d gave you this ability, so you can also choose the other option FREELY.
Science is but a shielding for Truth.
And it starts cracking more and more...

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

It denies the person the belief in the Creator

So what of those Christians who accept evolution, then? They're no true Scotsmen Christians?

 

[civ2]

ICBM
I would wanna hear HOW they combine those two - and what PRACTICAL implications (if any) it has.
As for me (being Jewish), it's impossible to have both LITERAL Sabbath and LITERAL evolution/billions of years.
First is a direct result/source of "G-d finished His work on the Seventh day - thus we should rest on it".
Second isn't giving you any reasons to keep the seventh day.
Even more so, the KEEPING of Sabbath is a direct REMINDER that G-d created the world in SIX days, not ANY other amount of time.
If you switch to billion of years, you lack the ongoing connection between your WEEK (being the ONLY conventional time measure, bigger than a day; month and year are related to natural cycles of moon and sun) and G-d.

 

[Arakhor]

So, I'm a mere overgrown bacteria with no ability to comprehend the majesty of God? Wow, Civ2, that's impressively offensive.

 

[civ2]

Arakhor
If YOU choose to be such.
Free choice is free, but the options aren't equally smart.

 

[peter grimes]

With better science education more people will come to realize just how incredibly awesome even a bacteria is - and it all arose through natural processes!

It really blows my mind when I think about it.

For me, religions can't hold a candle to the awe I experience by learning about science.

 

[useless]

So believing in a theory that has evidence behind it = Not Smart

But putting blind faith in a belief that has zero evidence behind it = Smart?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Sunday - the most holy day, worshipping the sun
Monday - worship the moon!
Tuesday - All hail Tyr!
Wednesday - No wait, I meant Wodan. No Mercury
Thursday - Boomsikiwawa
Friday - Friggin' awesome!
Saturday - What makes Saturn so special eh?

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

ICBM
I would wanna hear HOW they combine those two - and what PRACTICAL implications (if any) it has.
As for me (being Jewish), it's impossible to have both LITERAL Sabbath and LITERAL evolution/billions of years.
First is a direct result/source of "G-d finished His work on the Seventh day - thus we should rest on it".
Second isn't giving you any reasons to keep the seventh day.
Even more so, the KEEPING of Sabbath is a direct REMINDER that G-d created the world in SIX days, not ANY other amount of time.
If you switch to billion of years, you lack the ongoing connection between your WEEK (being the ONLY conventional time measure, bigger than a day; month and year are related to natural cycles of moon and sun) and G-d.

Once again, they interpret Genesis as a metaphor. Just like Jesus' parables, it's not whether they actually happened that matters, but the message. In this case, that God created everything and that humans are the pinnacle and stewards of creation.

 

[civ2]

ICBM
It's way easier to believe in something, if you PRACTICE it, in this case, keep the Seventh day.
But I think the problem here lies in how important PRACTICE is for different religions.
Whatever.

Ziggy
You think you look smarter when you make sarcastic jokes???
Not to me...

peter
Well, religious people marvel at nature - and see how G-d's handiwork is AWESOME, like you said.

useless
What scientific knowledge makes you support GAYS???

 

[civ2]

useless
In a way that both are sicknesses that should be considered such, while HELPING and UNDERSTANDING the people in question.
But NOT treating it as the NORM.
Sorry.
Or would you legalize stealing and raping too - cause some people tend to have "natural" inclinations to those too???

Ziggy
Well, YEAH!
Kinda this way.

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[The_J]

Moderator Action: I guess this thread needs a pause, until a mod from this area can have a look at it.
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