If you found only the appropriate amount of cities (7-9 in Siberia) it is possible. However, you can't build this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Russian_Empire_(orthographic_projection).svg
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If you found only the appropriate amount of cities (7-9 in Siberia) it is possible. However, you can't build this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Russian_Empire_(orthographic_projection).svg
Lone Wolf
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In 1.10, I still can struggle with stability even while making courthouses give +2 stab
The Diocletian
Fire Fly
Yeah, unfortunately with the city tech penalty it's hard to build cool empire and still remain competitive in tech.
What you propose would mean an expansion stability rating that is not negative long after you've expanded out of your historical territory. What's the point.
Population is the best indicator of the usefulness of a city so making it the criterion is the best inhibitor of continent covering super cities.
blizzrd
Micromanager
That would be the case if the historical and ahistorical were equally weighted. That wasn't the case before, why would it have to be the case now?
EDIT: There could easily be different values for Core, Historical and Ahistorical, depending on whatever weighting you consider to be appropriate.
I think you are using entirely the wrong mechanism to wage your war against super cities.
You should rather take away some of the abundant food (and other) resources if that is your goal.
It's the perfect mechanism. If only the city tiles count, there must be an element to counteract the natural response to build as few cities as possible. Conversely, small cities should not be discouraged because they are a destabilizing factor.
And I cannot remove that food as it is meant to feed multiple cities.
And I cannot remove that food as it is meant to feed multiple cities.
The Diocletian
Fire Fly
Quick question Leoreth, because I don't remember: Is the city tech malus still present in the SVNs?
Fresol
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A quick WB experiment shows that every city beyond the 10th will add 8% to the standard tech cost (which is the cost when you have <= 10 cities). But I don't know what the codes say.
I had always thought the threshold was 8! Well. I should've built more cities back then.
I had always thought the threshold was 8! Well. I should've built more cities back then.
Hear the good news! The tech penalty is a function of total population, and not of the total amount of cities. You can built this vast Russian empire in just ten turns and have a mediocre tech panalty. If you built only the 9 cities needed the penalty is minimal!
Well the new stability and tech cost mechanism made the building of extra large empire fisible. You can build the large Russian or Spanish empire and still be the tech leader. However, the best game should be the English empire. I built it in the old system (v1.10) and I was the tech leader due to its unique power. Just imagine what will happen in the new system...
The Diocletian
Fire Fly
SVN or 1.11?
blizzrd
Micromanager
This is not correct.
The Diocletian
Fire Fly
I'll take your word for it.
I'm sure Leoreth has a great answer for this, but why would you try to get rid of supercities while having a system that inherently encourages it?
I'm sure Leoreth has a great answer for this, but why would you try to get rid of supercities while having a system that inherently encourages it?
blizzrd
Micromanager
Nail. Hit. Head.
It is still there, but the recent discussion reminded me to change this system to be population based, I've added this right on top of my to do list yesterday.
The Diocletian
Fire Fly
The larger the pop, the slower the tech? How is it going to work?
blizzrd
Micromanager
Foreign stability just does not make sense.
I have 14 contacts. My relationships are:
6 Pleased
5 Cautious
2 Annoyed
1 Furious
My foreign stability is -4.
So with more than 75% of my contacts neutral or happy with me, I am penalised for being at war with one civ.
EDIT:
From this, the only possible ways to improve foreign stability are having stable vassals or defensive pacts with stronger civs.
Having Pleased relations should give + Foreign stability.
I have 14 contacts. My relationships are:
6 Pleased
5 Cautious
2 Annoyed
1 Furious
My foreign stability is -4.
So with more than 75% of my contacts neutral or happy with me, I am penalised for being at war with one civ.
EDIT:
From this, the only possible ways to improve foreign stability are having stable vassals or defensive pacts with stronger civs.
Having Pleased relations should give + Foreign stability.
SheaferDaDawg
Intelligent Canine
Just to check, I can only see my stability when I perform an action that should affect it, right? Because playing as Rome, I often look at my stability and see zeros.
Chep
Emperor
Hey there,
since I've been struggling with stability in this mod, I'd like to ask a few questions.
In my understanding it would be incredibly useful to switch all citizen (or at least a sizeable amount) to be "citizen" (the non-specialist-specialists) so your production & commerce is considerably lower than usual, before signing a peace treaty or starting a golden age.
the resulting check would give me bad values but won't hurt and the next one will be awesome, since my economy is at +10 compared to the earlier one.
with peace&GA you could do this and then switch to "normal" again in the same turn, so you wouldn't lose anything.
is this gedankenexperiment correct?
to a lesser extent: whipping should also be done just before one of the above events happens, right?
also: how close together can stability checks be? for example if I sign peace twice in the same turn would that give me 2 checks? (the 2nd one would be almost always worse, since there is no economic increase in that turn)
Does razing a city influence stability somehow?
(not exactly fitting here, but I don't want to start a new posting just for this: what is the population treshold for tech cost increase? and does it vary by civ?)
since I've been struggling with stability in this mod, I'd like to ask a few questions.
In my understanding it would be incredibly useful to switch all citizen (or at least a sizeable amount) to be "citizen" (the non-specialist-specialists) so your production & commerce is considerably lower than usual, before signing a peace treaty or starting a golden age.
the resulting check would give me bad values but won't hurt and the next one will be awesome, since my economy is at +10 compared to the earlier one.
with peace&GA you could do this and then switch to "normal" again in the same turn, so you wouldn't lose anything.
is this gedankenexperiment correct?
to a lesser extent: whipping should also be done just before one of the above events happens, right?
also: how close together can stability checks be? for example if I sign peace twice in the same turn would that give me 2 checks? (the 2nd one would be almost always worse, since there is no economic increase in that turn)
Does razing a city influence stability somehow?
(not exactly fitting here, but I don't want to start a new posting just for this: what is the population treshold for tech cost increase? and does it vary by civ?)
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