Successful Communism
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aelf
Ashen One
And pray tell, just for curiosity's sake, how you know that.
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Jewel Runner
Yeah. The only real change for the worse was the religious persecution.
Yeah because Imperial Russia was bastion of religious freedom and tolerance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_pogroms_in_the_Russian_Empire
The Venerable Pope John Paul II survived
Virtually anything would have been better than what the USSR replaced, as far as the average dude's (or average chick's) life went.
Zardnaar
Deity
I would rather live under the Tsar than Stalin???? Neither regime is pleasant but you could at least criticise the Tsar or leave Russia. Under Stalin not so much.
sophie
Break My Heart
lolno.
Zardnaar
Deity
The okhrana had nothing on the NKVD. Being ent to Siberia under the Tsar wasn't great. Under Stalin it was a virtual death sentence. Stalin himself spent time in the Tsars camps. Pity the bastard survived them.
Under Stalin you could read and write and were nowhere near as likely to die in childhood under the Tsar, heck you would probably have heating and electricity too
If you had enough money to leave Tsarist Russian it would be almost impossible to publicly criticize the Tsar and get away with it
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Jewel Runner
And extending persecution towards all religions was a wonderful step towards equity.
That's irrelevant to one's ability or lack thereof to criticize the tsarist regime. Stop fogging the issue.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Aye, because the Tsarists would never, for example, have thousands of civilians killed and wounded during a peaceful protest lead by a priest. No, they would merely give the protesters a stern look, thus dispersing them back to their hovels.
And, because a cruel fate adores irony, the protesters weren't even criticising the Tsar himself- they were petitioning him for aid, believing that their conditions were the result of the disinterest of ministers and capitalists, and the Tsar, if only he knew, would act with benevolence fitting his station. They weren't revolutionaries, just hungry, freezing peasants. A few thousand butchered rather put paid to that idealism, I'm afraid to say.
Aye, because the Tsarists would never, for example, have thousands of civilians killed and wounded during a peaceful protest lead by a priest. No, they would merely give the protesters a stern look, thus dispersing them back to their hovels.
And, because a cruel fate adores irony, the protesters weren't even criticising the Tsar himself- they were petitioning him for aid, believing that their conditions were the result of the disinterest of ministers and capitalists, and the Tsar, if only he knew, would act with benevolence fitting his station. They weren't revolutionaries, just hungry, freezing peasants. A few thousand butchered rather put paid to that idealism, I'm afraid to say.
Just like the US would never invade Russia for being Communist
You don't seem to actually know what it was like living in the Soviet Union. It's a bit sad that the defenders of Soviet Union are those who do not understand it - or perhaps you defend it because you don't understand what you are defending? I suggest you to actually read Solzhenitsyn, if for no other reason than to know your enemy. I did read Marx, didn't I?
Neither do you seem to understand China. For all the bad things you hear about it, I can assure you the abusiveness of today's authoritarian government is less than a tenth of what it was under Mao. Lead paint, poisonous food, sweatshops, all are nasty. Yet all of those are much preferable to 20,000,000 people starving to death. Do you know what a starved person looks like just before his death?
And this is one of my questions that you haven't been able to answer. Exactly how you can build something greater than the USSR? What would you have done differently? Where did this confidence of yours come from? A well-argued plan with historical precedents, or just blind faith?
Comparing Tsarist Russia and the Soviet Union is like discussing whether you should hire a dolphin or a chimpanzee to design a rocket, when you can hire perfectly intelligent humans instead.
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