Syrian Civil War: World Leaders Try Again
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We failed with our strategy,our politics in Syria. We shouldn't interfere with Syrian domestic issues while we are having difficulties with coping with Kurdish problem in eastern Turkey. Besides religional reasons forced Erdogan to choose a side in the Syrian regime conflict. This was a total failure to take a side with ISID against Esad. What kind of logical strategy makes you to be ally with ISID- a damn terrorist and radical islamic group- (Erdogan refuses this) and stand against Iran-Russia and even China? You have much bigger problems with your damn politics in Turkey and you try to interfere in Syrian politics? Let us think that, we have solved all our problems like education, health, Kurdish issue, etc etc. Does this even give you to right to get involved in the Syrian chaos?
A strong and stabile Syrian regime also would prevent us from terrorism. Esad declared that Syria had no relations with PKK while having good relations with Erdogan,long before. Erdogan isn't a good leader who can think 2-3 steps away after making a decision or choice. We have seen this in Syrian issue again and we will see again and again if his party again get chosen to form the government.
A strong and stabile Syrian regime also would prevent us from terrorism. Esad declared that Syria had no relations with PKK while having good relations with Erdogan,long before. Erdogan isn't a good leader who can think 2-3 steps away after making a decision or choice. We have seen this in Syrian issue again and we will see again and again if his party again get chosen to form the government.
You are right, that's certainly not in Assad's interests to cooperate with Kurdish radicals. Syria has the similar issues with Kurdish minority and separatism, as Turkey has.
As far as I know, Turkey officially doesn't support ISIS, only FSA, "moderate" opposition which is also supported by USA, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. And it looks like the areas controlled by FSA and Al-Nusra are currently the main target of Syrian offensive with Russian and Iranian support.
After the raid on MIT trucks, it has all been revealed that the weapons in the truck were going to support the ISID. Erdogan refused that, he said that the weapons were going to support Turkmen groups in Iraq but after that the president of Turkmen groups in Iraq also stated that they did not have an armed struggle against anyone. So where were the weapons going to? after passing through the nearest customhouse to ISID especially.
No one believed Erdogan ,not Europe not USA not even us.
chijohnaok
King
Here is more on Obama's foreign policy with regards to Syria.
You can listen to his own words:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=71&v=y52LeaK6tHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=16&v=jPG5I_f1cAY
More here:
https://www.google.com/search?q=whi...oTCKj17KmHucgCFUKTHgodaBYGJA&biw=1366&bih=635
If you find that Obama's goals and foreign policy with regards to Syria is confusing, don't consider yourself alone in that confusion.
Review of military situation as well as recent strategic and diplomatic developments in Syria.
Results of SAA advance in Hama province and prospects of China and Egypt joining the coalition.
Link to video.
Some people note the similarities between tactics and configuration of SAA forces near Kafr-Zita, and the tactics used by Ukrainian rebels in Debaltsevo operation.
Results of SAA advance in Hama province and prospects of China and Egypt joining the coalition.
Link to video.
Some people note the similarities between tactics and configuration of SAA forces near Kafr-Zita, and the tactics used by Ukrainian rebels in Debaltsevo operation.
Phrossack
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Now I really can't see any possibility of any hypothetical power-sharing deal between Assad and moderates like the FSA. Just death for many and the prisons and torture chambers for the surviving rebels. Let's hope the Kurds will fare better.
innonimatu
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If only Obama had listen to Republicans and allied himself with a Brutal secular dictator, that has uses torture, rape and kidnapping as well as WMDs on hes own people ! ..... oh wait !
The civil war was brought about by the stupid drought, and will continue for another 20 years probably longer.
When exactly has the syrian government used WMD at all? Please provide links to reports describing credible evidence of that, if you know of any.
The civil war was brought about by the bribing and threatening of some military officers within the syrian army (for the "native" part) in the early days, together with the introduction into the country of a few thousand irregular fighters trained and armed abroad. And ever since supplied by several foreign players which are now acknowledged by everyone discussing the war there (notably the US, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey).
A Syria that had its borders closed off to weapons would have long ago ended its civil war. Either side could produce anywhere neat the total weapons and munitions already spent, but most of the population and production capacity has remained in the government-controlled areas. Only resupply from outside has kept the war going and the so-called "ISIS" even advancing.
US forces created ISIS and has ever since been at the very least accomplices to those keeping it supplied. That there is no broad agreement at home on that policy, or that it is not publicly admitted, doesn't exonerate the US government from it.
And Phrossack, don't kid yourself, after such a nasty war gets going the outcome will be death or torture to the rebels anyway. "Rebels" being defined as the losing side, whichever it turns out to be. It's the only way the war can be won. If you want to pretend to be concerned about that you can only wonder which of the sides will be less prone to use terror to consolidate a victory past the terrorizing strictly necessary: the government, or ISIS? There are no other real contenders for power there.
We've had discussions lite these here about Iraq, about Libya, and now about Syria. There was something which was true in those wars and is again true in this one: wars always have casualties, and are always won by terrorizing the other side(s) into surrender. If you actually want the minimum possible number of deaths and suffering you should wish that a war never be started, or that should it happen it can be resolved swiftly. Cutting off supplies and encouragement to war from abroad is the best way to achieve that. That will, obviously, favor the stronger side at the start.
But if you think that any number of deaths is acceptable for changing a regime then say so and follow through with that line of thought: call for pouring even more weapons into the country, bomb it, go to war against it, against its allies if necessary, until the regime change is forced upon those who still fight for maintain it. But be clear about what you are advocating, don't pretend that you want to minimize casualties. Be honest enough to state what you want to achieve and what cost you are willing to have the objects of your "strategizing" pay for it.
Are the moderate Sunni islamists any better than secular quasi-dictator, from human right record POW? It seems that FSA has lost USA support after their epic fail with training program and nobody cares much about what their other benefactors think.
As for Kurds, their position is better, first because they don't pretend to seize power in country and second, because Russia and USA will both discourage Assad from attacking them, even if he would want to. The best solution IMO would be their neutrality and in perspective, joint operation with SAA against ISIS. And if everything goes smoothly, they can get autonomy or other compromise variant after war.
P.S. Russian defense ministry mistakenly wrote "Russian Arabian Republic" instead of "Syrian Arabian Republic" in its facebook page, corrected mistake a few hours later.
Looks like Freudian slip...
Thorgalaeg
Deity
So, USA is bombing Asad forces and Russia is bombing rebelds. With such powerful allies i am sure ISIS will soon govern Syria. Big Beheader all Saturday nights in Syrian statal TV. 
Thorgalaeg
Deity
Why? Because the almighty Russians are there?
BvBPL
Pour Decision Maker
Re innonimatu's inquiry as to al-Assad's use of WMDs, proof can be see in the link below.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...e-launching-chlorine-attacks-on-children.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...e-launching-chlorine-attacks-on-children.html
-Yes.
Thorgalaeg
Deity
Maybe US dont like the almighty Russia being there and decide it is the perfect excuse to crush Assad once for all. What would the almighty Russia do then?
Almighty Russia will crush pathetic USA then. Why even ask such obvious questions?
Thorgalaeg
Deity
Do you mean almighty Russia will crush pathetic USA using its almighty nuclear weapons? 
Do you mean almighty Russia will crush pathetic USA using its almighty nuclear weapons?
Sorry, thats a classified information...
Thorgalaeg
Deity
Then red_elk must know it. He is a KGB agent obviously. (or whatever they call it now)
