Team Game - Isolated Pacal (Deity)

[ManUnited4Ever]

Noob chiming in here. Is it out of the question to build West Point in Delhi? With your latest general, totalling 4x, and theocracy or vassalage, you could build 17 xp units right out of the gate. If it's not a viable investment, could it be a viable investment if you were Aggressive?

 

[Pedro78]

I tend to think that West Point is an underrated wonder, just like the Pentagon, as both can pay off in some cases (people usually say "never build that crap"). Concerning WP, I'd only build it in a city that can pump out one tank per turn (which will be Delhi's case). But the critical threshold is 10XP for CR3 tanks/Artillery, more than that is virtually useless. And considering the game's current position, I don't think WP will ever pay off because it will delay DoW and we don't need super-high XP units here as AIs are neither very big nor very advanced.

 

[Fippy]

on winning the war (and game) Pedro & Lain

I guess we want a golden age GP from CI now (6t), trade for Communism with AL,
until then usual stuff like deleting some old units, Levee where useful, no courthouses with SP soon, and so on?

 

[Pedro78]

Thanks Fippy

I just opened the save again, and I see a much quicker way to win the game than doing the usual boring stuff. Everything should be over in ~30T. Too bad I didn't think of it earlier, could've planned ahead a bit and shaved a few turns off victory date.. Anyone wanna take a guess?

 

[Anysense]

AP seems cheesy, only need to make sure that Gilgamesh remains friendly and does not become eligible; will need OR to spread to WK and Pericles.

 

[Pedro78]

AP seems cheesy

Nah I'm talking about conquest (no nukes), AP would be kind of a lame finish to such a fun game.

And Gilgamesh isn't actually friendly because he hates Asoka. Technically he is Cautious towards us I think (I don't know the mechanics behind that very well)

 

[Lain]

Looking great not sure how we achieve conquest in 30T though. Inf/Art?

But microing all cities, reaching tanks, starting two golden ages... sounds like fun to me

 

[Pedro78]

We have a decent army, a holy city and a vassal who has Artillery and a bunch of new cities ready to be whipped to the ground. The only missing piece of the puzzle will be kindly provided by terrible Wang Kon

 

[Fippy]

Maybe you want to give Asoki all our old units + cannons, he upgrades them into some murder stacks..
..and we sit back with popcorn while watching how he moves them against Giggles or so?

 

[Pedro78]

Spoiler missing piece :

 

[Pedro78]

Anyone wanna play the next turnset?
What I propose (very basically):

Step 1

• Immediately build a couple of spies in Indian cities, send them to Asoka's dutch city (forgot the name) & set EPs on Asoka (pause research)
• Move the Palace to Delhi
• Set Chicken Itza to max GPP
• Build farms so that every city is at its max whipping potential

Step 2

• Attack WK as soon as possible. Just need enough units to capture Seoul and keep it. This gives us the Kremlin.
• Steal Communism, then Artillery from Asoka. Get our hands on Monotheism->Theology.
• Launch Golden Age & revolt to Vassalage+SP+Theocracy (GA's only purpose is to save on anarchy turns)
• Whip everything to the ground

Step 3

• Roll over the map. Most likely Wang->Pericles->Gilgamesh->Willem+SB (at the same time). We will have AL before we attack Giggles. If we do things right we should be able to capitulate Gilgamesh, SB and Willem on the same turn

Total ~30 turns.

 

[dutchfire]

I see you've been doing good work while I was away.

We probably need to do some rebuilding of our navy. To attack Wang, we don't need any defensive units if we can take Seoul in a single landing. The fact that there are some Destroyers on the sea is a bit scary for our galleons, if Giggles ever decides he doesn't like us any more.

 

[Lain]

Motivation is pretty low at the moment, just for civ in general, so I'm laying low for a few days... but I wonder if we want to optimise the ending that much. Just two golden ages and rolling out tanks would also be fun and allows bigger margin for error. I don't mind either way, finishing in 30T would be cool

 

[Fippy]

Had lots of work lately,
looking over our game, think i might just attack Willy with what we have + some new cannons whipped in Asoki cities.

If that works, we could get most techs needed via trade from vassals.
Seems like a low micro move, while "enjoying" another war with no preparation other than army moving east
With no Steam Power yet, Willy seems far enuf away from Riflecannons stopping units.

 

[Fippy]

Anything is fine with me thou, Pedro your idea and plans look great as well.
Important will just be that we finish this game imo, deserves it.
Sadly i have very limited time currently, after the weekend i could play hopefully.

 

[Pedro78]

I'm fine either way. We're not here to play a perfect game, so if you have more fun rolling out tanks and/or taking out Willy & not doing any dirty capitulation tricks I have no problem with that. Tank warfare, although suboptimal in most games, can be very interesting/entertaining aswell.

 

[Fippy]

After a long break (sowy) i continued here,
with capitulating Willy.

Was surprised it worked out after Amsterdam already, and actually collected gold for Inf upgrades cos i lost plenty units
Less units, less gpt needed was my credo..umm..i am sure you all believe that!

Have only 1 pic currently from those turns, but could go back in autosaves (set to each turn from HoF games and so) for more.

Spoiler :

1t before my units could move in i declared, saw his stack in Middelburg.
Luring out worked, sadly he moved on a hill but with that stack gone moving in was rather safe.

Mostly slacked with workers so far, but did some stuff for SP.
We can trade for Electricity with Willy

Spoiler :

Took those Civics last turn with golden age start

Spoiler :

Not sure about Bur, but had no better idea and was curious about the Willy outcome so did not think much about it

GP for GA was from our glorious entertainment metropolis Chicken Pizza, as planned.

 

[dutchfire]

Do we want to quickly take down the next AI? Sitting Bull is backwards. We need to prevent other AI from running away though, and our stack is a bit thin at the moment.

 

[Fippy]

I was thinking we can wait for Tanks now,
getting Electricity from Willy and researching Indust.

We can get Railroad from him too (for Indu, if nothing changes),
maybe Combustion in some trade as well, but if not we are close to Tanks either way

Yep we would have to reinforce our stack, Giggles plots and i think it's better if we move our guys towards his border..
could be us, only cautious now i think with Asoka as Vassal.

 

[lymond]

wish we could watch realtime..this is impressive

SB could be a target of Gigs too, so might be good to be in a position to jump on SB if he does...kinda tough with long Sumer border.

Asoka should take some city gifts at some point.