Term 6 - The Senate Forum

[Donovan Zoi]

I agree with Shaitan. This concept would take a lot of work. My feeling is that each province should have a "Priority List" labeling the most urgent worker actions needed in the province. There should be a national Priority List as well.

This list should be based on two things: urgency of the proposed task and proximity of a worker or workers to said task. In other words, if a mine is needed in a hurry but is 7 tiles by road from the nearest worker, is it worth the loss of two turns to send a worker directly there and bypassing another need in the province?

Same would go go for a national list. An example of a national priority would be our current need to build a cross-country railway. Another may be an emphasis on mining once we reach Industrialization. Pollution will be a huge factor in the future, so this should be a national priority as well.

These lists would not only help the DP better determine the needs of our governors, but they would also work as a checklist to ensure that each province received its fair share of development.

 

[Shaitan]

FYI - I have asked for a Judicial Review to clarify the relationship between the Presidential and Provincial worker laws.

 

[Cheetah]

Great, the Senate thread is up!

I'm sorry I haven't posted sooner, but I had a lot to do at school :-/

I feel that the province building a worker should be able to use it for a few tasks in the province. I don't like the idea of a fixed limit, but I think the Governors should be generous and not keeping the worker to long before it is transferred to the Federal Government.

How to organise the ownership of the workers will be very problematic, as Civ 3 can't name workers.

I do have an idea that could help to solve it, though I think it won't help much: We could assign foreign workers as the property of the provinces, each nationality belonging to a province. Unfortunatly I don't see how this would encourage the Governors to make more workers.

 

[Ehecatl Atzin]

But having just one worker action completed in the province before he goes off somewhere else seems hardly worth the effort of building him in the first place. If a province builds a worker to improve the tiles, then it doesn't seem fair to take that worker away to other places, especially when the province isn't a shield production monster and it took it some time to build him.
I agree there should be a national and a provincial agenda, but who gets to decide what should be done first and under what circumstances can the DP overide the provincial agenda, especially when those agendas aren't on the same proyect.
Assigning foreign workers the way Cheetah proposes doesn't look like a good idea, we may have 14 workers from India, but only one from Russia..who gets the russians and who the indians?
Perhaps foreign workers could work on the national agenda, as a group, and national workers in the provinces?

EA

 

[Donovan Zoi]

EA, the Priority Lists would give a governor a chance to cry foul is items on his/her list were neglected for quite some time.

Take the situation we are in now for instance. While work is definitely needed across the land, our main priority as a nation should be connecting Kyoto to Padmativa by rail. This would be mostly for quick protection of our borders. That right there should be enough incentive to get any governor to sign on, IMO.

After that it would get more confusing, but with Priority Lists kept up to date, we would have a great way to monitor the progress of each province.

 

[Cyc]

You have a good point, DZ, but in the first PI's I wrote this week, there was no National railroad program going as we had not discovered the use of Steam yet. The DP had workers in The North province waiting to do work, and ignored the instructions of the governor and developed other tiles, even though the Governor gave explicit reasons why that work should not be done and again requested that other tiles be developed. Please stop ignoring the fact that railroads were not part of the PI problem, ignoring the Governors instructions were.

 

[Ehecatl Atzin]

Ok, so we begin building a priority list... how do we go about it? ho to decide what worker actions are more urgent than others? do we eartag workers to follow the list? ...by the way, can we name it Atzin's List? hehehehe

EA

 

[Donovan Zoi]

Originally posted by Cyc
You have a good point, DZ, but in the first PI's I wrote this week, there was no National railroad program going as we had not discovered the use of Steam yet. The DP had workers in The North province waiting to do work, and ignored the instructions of the governor and developed other tiles, even though the Governor gave explicit reasons why that work should not be done and again requested that other tiles be developed. Please stop ignoring the fact that railroads were not part of the PI problem, ignoring the Governors instructions were.

@Cyc - My apologies. Perhaps my saying "situation we are in now" was a bit misleading. Actually, my comments in my last post had nothing to do with the PI currently in progress, and I should probably watch how I word things during this delicate time.

I was merely illustrating how the Priority List would work, and things to watch out for.

 

[Cyc]

You mean kinda like that worker we had going in Androbius, DZ?

 

[Cheetah]

Originally posted by Ehecatl Atzin
Assigning foreign workers the way Cheetah proposes doesn't look like a good idea, we may have 14 workers from India, but only one from Russia..who gets the russians and who the indians?
Perhaps foreign workers could work on the national agenda, as a group, and national workers in the provinces?

To explain my idea a little better I would like to continue your example:
As we have 14 indian workers I would assign them to a big and undeveloped province, which would be in greater need of worker actions. The lone russian worker could be joined by the 2 roman and one persian worker we have, and we could send them to a smaller or more developed province.

I realise that this in no way is a very good solution, but it is one that is possible to organise. If anyone has a better way that can be done, I am listening.

 

[Cyc]

As a Governor of Fanatika, I request that all other Governors please go to the PI threads and post your opinions. The issues in these PI's concern Governor rights and should be addressed by the Governors. Please do not let the Mods in the game overpower you. This is your chance to speak up and be heard. Your rights are on the line.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

As a governor, i set bizen to build two workers, and gave them specific instructions to improve the land around bizen. What do I get?

my orders are completely ignored

 

[Goonie]

Then post your added evidence in the PI threads. I posted two worker instructions and had one done, so I dont feel too badly exploited.

 

[Cyc]

Yes, that's right. Off to the PI threads, both of you. The strength of the Governors of Fanatika may be dwindling from non-involvement. We don't want to let our guard down as Governors, as this will also weaken our stance as Senators.

 

[Shaitan]

But don't forget to continue the discussion here. Finding CT guilty or innocent is one thing, finding a solution to the problem is quite another.

 

[Ehecatl Atzin]

I would like to continue pushing for the eartaging idea, that way, governors are secured their province improvement, regardless of the national agenda.
The national agenda will then see when that worker goes back to it's native land to do another improvement (if it indeed does return). If the province wants more improvements done and the governor doesn't want to wait his turn to come up in the n.a. (national agenda), then all he has to do is build another worker, have him ear-tagged for his 2 or 3 actions, and then release him into the nation. If he can wait, then the federal gov'ment will get to him sooner or later.
Hopefully, those governors with no patience for the n. a. will beef up the national work force and those governors with patience (or without the resourses to build worker after worker) will benefit from the workers in the n.a.

EA

 

[Cheetah]

I agree on the eartaging idea, but how shall it be done? We can not name workers here as in PTW.

 

[Cyc]

Actually the best thing for you to do, is participate in the PI threads, so you can nip the main problem, of Governors being ignored, in the bud.

 

[Shaitan]

I don't think there can be any workable system for marking a worker as belonging to a province. A workable idea is to specify an action for a worker to complete when it is built. That is possible for the DP to do. Once a worker has completed an action there is no reliable way to keep them under separate jurisdictions.

 

[Ehecatl Atzin]

Well, unless the governor has a very wathfull eye on the workers, know where "his" workers are and what are they doing.
Know when his 2 or 3 actions are up and ensure they are released to the DP. I know ptw offers the facility of naming units, but that only makes it that much more important that governors keep an eye on what's happening in their province.

EA