The Case for Eugenics in a Nutshell

[Abaddon]

I said "better off".

You also asked me how happy they had made me...



Can I say a girl I know who obtained a 1st (an is on a way to a MRES) gave great head? Is that an answer?

 

[Mise]

You also asked me how happy they had made me...



Can I say a girl I know who obtained a 1st (an is on a way to a MRES) gave great head? Is that an answer?

I also said "better off" You gonna answer the question?

 

[Abaddon]

Er, well someone who is doing advanced research into cancer prevention is more likely to make humanity better off than the guy laying tarmac down the road...

 

[Mise]

Er, well someone who is doing advanced research into cancer prevention is more likely to make humanity better off than the guy laying tarmac down the road...

I don't know what question you thought you were answering, but it wasn't mine. You gonna answer my question? How many people have personally made your life better off? And how many of those do you think had an IQ over 125?

 

[Kerozine]

Depends on the method(s) used.

 

[Abaddon]

I don't know what question you thought you were answering, but it wasn't mine. You gonna answer my question? How many people have personally made your life better off? And how many of those do you think had an IQ over 125?

Lets not play silly-buggers, you know full well I was answering your question. I just didn't give the answer you wanted me to.

I obviously have no idea..its an impossible question. I don't ask people to introduce themselves with name and IQ..many people have, many that I will never meet. Do I know their IQ? Does it matter? NO. Its what they achieved that mattered. A random example? Louis Pasteur.. he has made my life better.

Also, stated elsewhere, perhaps IQ is not the best measure.

I propose that admittance would be through merit.

 

[Mise]

Lets not play silly-buggers, you know full well I was answering your question. I just didn't give the answer you wanted me to.

I obviously have no idea..its an impossible question. I don't ask people to introduce themselves with name and IQ..many people have, many that I will never meet.

You should know roughly how smart your closest friends and family are...

Do I know their IQ? Does it matter? NO.

You're being disingenuous and evasive. It's a simple question. And if I had to answer, the answer would be that the people who made the most impact on my life had widely varying IQs. Some were highly intelligent, some were not. And, most importantly, what made the biggest impact on my life wasn't their intelligence, it was their capacity for love, their compassion, their friendship and their support.

Nothing to do with intelligence.

Its what they achieved that mattered. A random example? Louis Pasteur.. he has made my life better.

More than your parents? I'd rather have my parents around me than 1,000 Louis Pasteurs...

Also, stated elsewhere, perhaps IQ is not the best measure.

I propose that admittance would be through merit.

And you're fine with not making the cut?

 

[Ecofarm]

I propose that admittance would be through merit.

Sweet. It's Starship Troopers time.

 

[Abaddon]

I've done nothing of merit.

There is no reason I would be involved in such a project.

 

[Mise]

I've done nothing of merit.

There is no reason I would be involved in such a project.

You'd be left out of the breeding programme by those of us who actually have some value to society. You're okay with that?

 

[Abaddon]

You should know roughly how smart your closest friends and family are...

You're being disingenuous and evasive. It's a simple question. And if I had to answer, the answer would be that the people who made the most impact on my life had widely varying IQs. Some were highly intelligent, some were not. And, most importantly, what made the biggest impact on my life wasn't their intelligence, it was their capacity for love, their compassion, their friendship and their support.

I'd say they are above average. But not significantly.
An you are thinking on a different scale. It is irrelevant if someones made you specifically better off. It only makes sense if we are looking at humanity as a whole.

 

[Ecofarm]

When are we gonna necro the Optimization thread?



I want Starship Troopers and Optimization discussion.

 

[Abaddon]

You'd be left out of the breeding programme by those of us who actually have some value to society. You're okay with that?

Your words imply you feel you should be included?


I am totally okay with it. It would make it a nonsense to admit people like me.

I'm perfectly average. Adding my genes would do nothing positive. You gotta have a high threshold.

 

[Abaddon]

When are we gonna necro the Optimization thread?

I don't know it, you'll have to link me.

 

[ParkCungHee]

1. Human intelligence is largely hereditary.

Stopped reading there.

 

[Mise]

I'd say they are above average. But not significantly.
An you are thinking on a different scale. It is irrelevant if someones made you specifically better off. It only makes sense if we are looking at humanity as a whole.

So you admit that what makes YOU better off is not intelligence? Or such nebulous terms as "merit"?

Your words imply you feel you should be included?


I am totally okay with it. It would make it a nonsense to admit people like me.

I'm perfectly average. Adding my genes would do nothing positive. You gotta have a high threshold.

Then why should we intelligent, hard-working, prosperous, productive, industrious, ingenious, inventive, innovative members of society bother helping you worthless proles? Why would we bother wasting our limited time helping you useless, pathetic waste of resources? Why would such a worthless individual be allowed to pollute the environment, clog up our roads, and befoul the genetic landscape with inferior genes?

Afterall, your only value is to breed cattle and sweep roads. Which are exactly the kind of jobs that our superior intellect would develop technology to render obsolete. We'd probably use your worthless walking corpses to test drugs and bullet-proof vests. All in the name of technological advancement, of course! We're trying to build a better society here!

 

[Ecofarm]

I don't know it, you'll have to link me.

Oh, it's a real beauty. I think it's the one that I said I would frag Chazumi.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=274649

 

[Abaddon]

I was enjoying this, that is on the wane now tho.

@Mise.

Individual examples of what we would call "intellegence" have advanced man.. for the better. You yourself said a society more advanced is better than one that is not. It doesn't matter if someone has directly done something for me.. thousands and thousands have, and it means I now live in a warm, dry house, with the internets and everything. My life is better than that of someone from hundreds of years ago.

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As for your other fanatasy nonsense drivel. As much fun as it was to read.. it has nothing to do with this. As earthling noted. You make the leap that a group of more intellegent people would decide to be evil?

 

[Mise]

If intelligent people only breed with each other -- and are encouraged by society to breed only with each other -- why wouldn't they also decide to only help each other? The same thing happens when people only breed with other members of their own religion, or race, or nationality. Why wouldn't it happen with intelligence? You'd have to ignore the entire course of human history to believe otherwise.

 

[Akka]

Real intelligence is about pattern recognition, problem solving, situational awareness, things like that. Devising tests for those characteristics is pretty straightforward isnt it?

Wrong, and wrong.

Wrong because intelligence in itself is VERY difficult to pin down. People often are quite smart in one domain, and completely stupid in others. It's also often quite relative - just see how often people with one opinion find totally stupid people with another ; how do you plan to make an objective evaluation of intelligence when difference of opinion can make someone look intelligent or dumb to others ?

And wrong because tests have some glaring flaws :
First they are, as above, very lacking in testing anything but very specific forms of intelligence.
And second, they are only working for people quite less intelligent than the one who is making them. You can not evaluate the intelligence of someone who is roughle as intelligent as you are, much less someone who is quite smarter, and could think above and beyond what you could imagine as a test for his intelligence.