Manuss
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Abd al-Qabid, Garai
I really like your writings. Just use Allah instead of God, your people are muslim.
I really like your writings. Just use Allah instead of God, your people are muslim.
The Democratic Caliphate.
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Manuss
Sleeping man
"Allah" does mean "God" in Arabic...
Yeah, i know, but i don't think that muslims call Allah "God".
Sanguivorant
Submitter
Both mean the same thing, that is why I say God. If I wanted to, I could remove any trace of Arabic, but you leave a good point. I might just use Allah instead.
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I rather like the little traces of Arabic. It makes the work seem more authentic.
Imperator Knoedel
Currently obsessed with The Owl House
Actually they do. At least the Muslims I have had many a theological debate with used the terms pretty much interchangeably.
Also you should use the term 'Ummah' for the Muslim community methinks.
Sanguivorant
Submitter
They mean the same thing, but Ummah does have a stronger ring to it. I just didn't want to confuse readers with terms they might not be aware of.
So Palestinian is the correct term. It's not political.
Sanguivorant
Submitter
Voting is closed.
Instead of using the word votes, I'll use the word Bay'ah, which means pledge of allegience. The leaders who get the majority pledges of allegiance obviously wins the vote, like voting.
Abd al-Qabid, Garai:
Three Bay'ahs.
Abd al-Basit, Barzin:
One Bay'ah
Abd Allah, Bilal:
Three Bay'ahs.
Uh oh, it appears we might have another diarchy soon...
In that event, how should the cities be split up among the two leaders?
They share something in common that they want to use specialists, but Garai would like to obviously complete Khalid's works and therefore will be wanting to use Science specialists.
I assume for Bilal, he doesn't care what specialist is being used, as long as they go to Mecca (He wants to win the URV).
At the same time, he wants to explore the world and find more holy cities. We have two within our grasp, Islam and Buddhism and we need three more. So maybe we can discuss that.
He also wants to build up the military, so it would make sense to give him the most populous or food-plenty cities for that.
Instead of using the word votes, I'll use the word Bay'ah, which means pledge of allegience. The leaders who get the majority pledges of allegiance obviously wins the vote, like voting.
Abd al-Qabid, Garai:
Three Bay'ahs.
Abd al-Basit, Barzin:
One Bay'ah
Abd Allah, Bilal:
Three Bay'ahs.
Uh oh, it appears we might have another diarchy soon...
In that event, how should the cities be split up among the two leaders?
They share something in common that they want to use specialists, but Garai would like to obviously complete Khalid's works and therefore will be wanting to use Science specialists.
I assume for Bilal, he doesn't care what specialist is being used, as long as they go to Mecca (He wants to win the URV).
At the same time, he wants to explore the world and find more holy cities. We have two within our grasp, Islam and Buddhism and we need three more. So maybe we can discuss that.
He also wants to build up the military, so it would make sense to give him the most populous or food-plenty cities for that.
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I talked to my professor, and earlier when I said that "we" Arabic letter could be used as a comma was false. In Arabic, they never -would- put last name first then first name unless you specifically said that the names were.
Sanguivorant
Submitter
Yeah. The Abd [Insert name of God] is their first name, and the culturally related name is their last name.
I perhaps should not place commas so that it doesn't cause confusion.
I perhaps should not place commas so that it doesn't cause confusion.
Sanguivorant
Submitter
Another issue regarding leadership has dawned on the Ummah of the Muslimeen, with Garai and Bilal having equal number of Bay'ahs from the Muslim Council.
Bilal is very well aware of the diarchy that occured between Alemayehu and Balashi. However, according to his knowledge of Hadith, he remembered the Prophet saying, "Fulfil allegiance to them, the first of them, the first of them, and give them their dues; for verily Allah will ask them about what he entrusted them with". He also remembered Abu Bakr, one of the Rashidun Caliphs, exclaiming, "It is forbidden for Muslims to have two Amirs (rulers)..." Bilal believed that there can only be one leader for representing the whole Muslim Ummah.
On that account, Bilal gave his Bay'ah to Garai, and Garai won the election. And with that, there shall be no more than one leader at one time in the Ummah, with a random winner giving his pledge to the other.
Qiyadat Garai:
As Garai had promised, he would continue what Khalid has started. However, he really didn't like using slaves to get things done, so he let things take their time.
He considered Bilal's wishes, and wrote them down on a papyrus scroll that he hanged on the wall of the capital mosque in Mecca:
Ghanaian Farari men:
From what can be observed, Ethiopia really has horrible relations with the other African nations, to the point where Ghanaians traverse the entire Sahara desert to attack them. One can only wonder what the Ethiopians did to the other African nations.
A small force of these horsemen camped at the west side of the Nile before they were trampled out by Ethiopian elephants (Not pictured):
Allah adalah lebih besar!
Malaysian tradesmen who came to Mecca from Tumasik embraced Islam and sought to spread it to their home country. As of now, only this segment of the Tumasik peoples are part of the Muslim world, though under Indonesian rule, who are beginning to hate us for some reason:
Malaheen Allah:
We cannot forget about them. The Navigators of God continued their journey to the last Eastern civilization.
Travelling further north along the Chinese coast, another independent Chinese state, Fuzhou, was contacted. The city's defences are not as strong as Guangzhou, but they were really mistrusting of foreigners, so we didn't stay long in their coast:
Travelling further East, we contacted the Yamato peoples, who are under the leader Kammu. They are a friendly peoples, who opened their borders with us and gave us their main stable diet, rice, in exchange for Egyptian wheat:
Travelling further North, we encountered the Goryeo Kingdom, who were also mistrusting of foreignors. We entered their docks only to be asked to return quickly. The Navigators decided to move to the friendlier peoples, the Yamato, and they discovered that the Yamato are fighting the Goryeo Kingdom in a war. May Allah help the righteous:
And that was all the Navigators could find from the East. They got a few extra provisions from the Yamato, and headed back West to return to Mecca:
Al-Furusiyya:
Ever since the beginning of Islam, the military was organized by Levy armies. Any Muslim of correct age was required to serve in the military when it became necessary. Garai changed all of that:
Garai asked the Ulema (Scholars) of the Muslim Ummah to develop a code of war that was consistent with Islamic principles. It was called, "Al-Furusiyya". Military armies now have to follow a few codes of war and if they do not follow, they are executed. This ensures that no Muslim in war commits injustice towards anybody. Some of the laws are:
1. Non-combatants cannot be harmed.
2. Nature, trees and water must not be burned or polluted.
3. Collateral damage cannot be used against people, and can only be used in breaking down defences.
4. Mutilation of dead bodies is strictly forbidden.
5. Prisoners of War must be taken care of at the expense of the Muslim.
India's Threat:
To try to cast fear into the hearts of Muslims, the Indians demanded a large sum of our treasury. We denied. We only fear Allah:
The Indians, seeing their threat as a mistake, apologized by establishing more trade relations with the Muslimeen. We forgive them, as Allah is all-forgiving, all-merciful:
Buddhist takeover of Byzantium:
In order to repay the Muslims for liberating the Buddhists from Christian rule, the Buddhists across Byzantium conducted massive revolts that urged the Byzantines to change their state religion to theirs. Christianity has temporarily been stripped from power in Eastern Europe, but Muslims now fear the Buddhists might use the resources of Byzantium to reclaim their holy city by force:
To ensure security of Muslim lands, crossbow production has begun in Anqarah. Troops are sent there to learn the use of the crossbow:
As a result, Byzantium and India started to have better relations with each other. In other news, there was a conflict with the Khmer and Indonesian empires which has ended in 780 AD. This is fortunate for us, because that means our Eastern trade does not get threatened by marauding ships:
Caravan to the West:
Bilal, who resigned his leadership to Garai, decided to instead launch an expedition to West Africa in order to find out more about the Byzantine Cataphracts that camp in Libya. A great road connects West Africa to East Africa. It was said to have been constructed by the Romans centuries ago:
The Moors:
Just over a century ago, when Islam was first beginning, some of the first Muslims headed West to the Iberian peninsula. People there were so accepting of Islam, that they revolted against the Vandals who once controlled the region. The Andalusians then went on a campaign to secure Muslim rule in Western Europe and Africa. Tunis, which was a Byzantine colony, even revolted from Byzantium and joined the Andalusians.
Regardless, this is indeed proof that Byzantium did have a presence in North Africa outside of Egypt, and this explains why some Byzantine warlords still inhabit Libya today:
These people are called the Moors, and their leader accepted Islam. His name is Abd ar-Rahman. Some people claim that this is a problem, because now there are two Islamic nations with two different leaders. Garai however, met the leader in person and established peaceful relations with him. The future of the relationship of these two nations is for future leaders to decide. Should there only be one leader? Will someone try to impose that?
That was not for Garai to decide. He traded knowledge of the feudal economy for Andalusian books and literature. Free trade relations were also established between the two Muslim sovereigns:
And that ends Garai's leadership. Paper was still not manufactured by the end of his rule, so Garai did not feel that he did much. Nonetheless, he died a peaceful death in his sleep.
The Muslim Council will regroup soon to decide the next leader.
Bilal is very well aware of the diarchy that occured between Alemayehu and Balashi. However, according to his knowledge of Hadith, he remembered the Prophet saying, "Fulfil allegiance to them, the first of them, the first of them, and give them their dues; for verily Allah will ask them about what he entrusted them with". He also remembered Abu Bakr, one of the Rashidun Caliphs, exclaiming, "It is forbidden for Muslims to have two Amirs (rulers)..." Bilal believed that there can only be one leader for representing the whole Muslim Ummah.
On that account, Bilal gave his Bay'ah to Garai, and Garai won the election. And with that, there shall be no more than one leader at one time in the Ummah, with a random winner giving his pledge to the other.
Qiyadat Garai:
As Garai had promised, he would continue what Khalid has started. However, he really didn't like using slaves to get things done, so he let things take their time.
He considered Bilal's wishes, and wrote them down on a papyrus scroll that he hanged on the wall of the capital mosque in Mecca:
Spoiler :
Ghanaian Farari men:
From what can be observed, Ethiopia really has horrible relations with the other African nations, to the point where Ghanaians traverse the entire Sahara desert to attack them. One can only wonder what the Ethiopians did to the other African nations.
A small force of these horsemen camped at the west side of the Nile before they were trampled out by Ethiopian elephants (Not pictured):
Spoiler :
Allah adalah lebih besar!
Malaysian tradesmen who came to Mecca from Tumasik embraced Islam and sought to spread it to their home country. As of now, only this segment of the Tumasik peoples are part of the Muslim world, though under Indonesian rule, who are beginning to hate us for some reason:
Spoiler :
Malaheen Allah:
We cannot forget about them. The Navigators of God continued their journey to the last Eastern civilization.
Travelling further north along the Chinese coast, another independent Chinese state, Fuzhou, was contacted. The city's defences are not as strong as Guangzhou, but they were really mistrusting of foreigners, so we didn't stay long in their coast:
Spoiler :
Travelling further East, we contacted the Yamato peoples, who are under the leader Kammu. They are a friendly peoples, who opened their borders with us and gave us their main stable diet, rice, in exchange for Egyptian wheat:
Spoiler :
Travelling further North, we encountered the Goryeo Kingdom, who were also mistrusting of foreignors. We entered their docks only to be asked to return quickly. The Navigators decided to move to the friendlier peoples, the Yamato, and they discovered that the Yamato are fighting the Goryeo Kingdom in a war. May Allah help the righteous:
Spoiler :
And that was all the Navigators could find from the East. They got a few extra provisions from the Yamato, and headed back West to return to Mecca:
Spoiler :
Al-Furusiyya:
Ever since the beginning of Islam, the military was organized by Levy armies. Any Muslim of correct age was required to serve in the military when it became necessary. Garai changed all of that:
Spoiler :
Garai asked the Ulema (Scholars) of the Muslim Ummah to develop a code of war that was consistent with Islamic principles. It was called, "Al-Furusiyya". Military armies now have to follow a few codes of war and if they do not follow, they are executed. This ensures that no Muslim in war commits injustice towards anybody. Some of the laws are:
1. Non-combatants cannot be harmed.
2. Nature, trees and water must not be burned or polluted.
3. Collateral damage cannot be used against people, and can only be used in breaking down defences.
4. Mutilation of dead bodies is strictly forbidden.
5. Prisoners of War must be taken care of at the expense of the Muslim.
India's Threat:
To try to cast fear into the hearts of Muslims, the Indians demanded a large sum of our treasury. We denied. We only fear Allah:
Spoiler :
The Indians, seeing their threat as a mistake, apologized by establishing more trade relations with the Muslimeen. We forgive them, as Allah is all-forgiving, all-merciful:
Spoiler :
Buddhist takeover of Byzantium:
In order to repay the Muslims for liberating the Buddhists from Christian rule, the Buddhists across Byzantium conducted massive revolts that urged the Byzantines to change their state religion to theirs. Christianity has temporarily been stripped from power in Eastern Europe, but Muslims now fear the Buddhists might use the resources of Byzantium to reclaim their holy city by force:
Spoiler :
To ensure security of Muslim lands, crossbow production has begun in Anqarah. Troops are sent there to learn the use of the crossbow:
Spoiler :
As a result, Byzantium and India started to have better relations with each other. In other news, there was a conflict with the Khmer and Indonesian empires which has ended in 780 AD. This is fortunate for us, because that means our Eastern trade does not get threatened by marauding ships:
Spoiler :
Caravan to the West:
Bilal, who resigned his leadership to Garai, decided to instead launch an expedition to West Africa in order to find out more about the Byzantine Cataphracts that camp in Libya. A great road connects West Africa to East Africa. It was said to have been constructed by the Romans centuries ago:
Spoiler :
The Moors:
Just over a century ago, when Islam was first beginning, some of the first Muslims headed West to the Iberian peninsula. People there were so accepting of Islam, that they revolted against the Vandals who once controlled the region. The Andalusians then went on a campaign to secure Muslim rule in Western Europe and Africa. Tunis, which was a Byzantine colony, even revolted from Byzantium and joined the Andalusians.
Regardless, this is indeed proof that Byzantium did have a presence in North Africa outside of Egypt, and this explains why some Byzantine warlords still inhabit Libya today:
Spoiler :
These people are called the Moors, and their leader accepted Islam. His name is Abd ar-Rahman. Some people claim that this is a problem, because now there are two Islamic nations with two different leaders. Garai however, met the leader in person and established peaceful relations with him. The future of the relationship of these two nations is for future leaders to decide. Should there only be one leader? Will someone try to impose that?
That was not for Garai to decide. He traded knowledge of the feudal economy for Andalusian books and literature. Free trade relations were also established between the two Muslim sovereigns:
Spoiler :
And that ends Garai's leadership. Paper was still not manufactured by the end of his rule, so Garai did not feel that he did much. Nonetheless, he died a peaceful death in his sleep.
The Muslim Council will regroup soon to decide the next leader.
Sanguivorant
Submitter
Yeah I will do that. I am honestly not the best player, so if I can get your inputs on what I should do to maximize food or science production, then that would be helpful.
Sanguivorant
Submitter
After completing the Hajj, which to governors was obligatory every year, all the governors sat down to discuss with each other about who should be the new leader. Three of the governors stood out above the rest.
Abd al-Alim Abram:
A Muslim who was raised in Anqarah. He is a very religious man who can always be found at his local mosque. In addition, Abram grew with Buddhists all around him, and is a very tolerant person towards other religions.
Policies:
-Build a Buddhist temple and monastery (If possible) in Anqarah.
-Build an Islamic Monastery in Mecca.
-Try to generate a Great Prophet to build a shrine for the Buddhist people.
-Continue researching paper.
Abd al-Majid Bayoumi:
A Muslim from Egypt who owns a lot of property, though mostly farmland. He is known for being a very benevolent man who has never bought a slave in his life. He is an emancipator, and constantly uses his excess wealth to free slaves. He believes that only Allah owns human beings, not humans themselves.
Policies:
-Switch to Agrarianism.
-Create more government workers.
-Build up a treasury of 500 gold.
-Continue researching paper.
Abd al-Haqq Sargon:
A Syrian Muslim who is also a religious scholar. He is disappointed that not many people are actually aware of the teachings of Islam, and he wants to spread that message far and wide. He believes trade is the best method of doing so, pointing to the newly founded Islamic community at Tumasik.
Policies:
-Switch to Organized religion OR build a monastery (If you vote for him, decide which one he should do)
-Train and send Imams to the Ummah's trading partners, including North Africa which has a relatively large non-Muslim population despite being ruled by Muslims.
-Construct at least two galleys designed to transport religious scholars to the East.
-Continue researching paper
Domestic and Foreign information:
P.S: If you are good at the game, you can also tell me how I should go around to completing the elected leader's policies.
Abd al-Alim Abram:
A Muslim who was raised in Anqarah. He is a very religious man who can always be found at his local mosque. In addition, Abram grew with Buddhists all around him, and is a very tolerant person towards other religions.
Policies:
-Build a Buddhist temple and monastery (If possible) in Anqarah.
-Build an Islamic Monastery in Mecca.
-Try to generate a Great Prophet to build a shrine for the Buddhist people.
-Continue researching paper.
Abd al-Majid Bayoumi:
A Muslim from Egypt who owns a lot of property, though mostly farmland. He is known for being a very benevolent man who has never bought a slave in his life. He is an emancipator, and constantly uses his excess wealth to free slaves. He believes that only Allah owns human beings, not humans themselves.
Policies:
-Switch to Agrarianism.
-Create more government workers.
-Build up a treasury of 500 gold.
-Continue researching paper.
Abd al-Haqq Sargon:
A Syrian Muslim who is also a religious scholar. He is disappointed that not many people are actually aware of the teachings of Islam, and he wants to spread that message far and wide. He believes trade is the best method of doing so, pointing to the newly founded Islamic community at Tumasik.
Policies:
-Switch to Organized religion OR build a monastery (If you vote for him, decide which one he should do)
-Train and send Imams to the Ummah's trading partners, including North Africa which has a relatively large non-Muslim population despite being ruled by Muslims.
-Construct at least two galleys designed to transport religious scholars to the East.
-Continue researching paper
Domestic and Foreign information:
Spoiler :
P.S: If you are good at the game, you can also tell me how I should go around to completing the elected leader's policies.
mrrandomplayer
Hopeless Situation Warrior
Abd al-Majid Bayoumi
Manuss
Sleeping man
Abd al-Alim Abram
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