The end of American Class-Action Lawsuits?

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Maybe so, according to our friends at msnbc.
the news said:
Can companies grant themselves a "get out of jail free" card when you sign their contracts? A lawsuit filed in Seattle against AT&T/Cingular may settle that question.

The nonprofit public advocacy group Public Justice is asking a federal court to set aside a provision in old AT&T wireless contracts that prevents consumers from banding together and filing class action lawsuits against the company. The future of class-action lawsuits might be at stake.


The 22 million customers of AT&T Wireless were given a Hobson's choice in 2004 when the firm was acquired by Cingular, according to Public Justice. The advocacy group says consumers had three bad options after the merger:

Continue using their old phones and face a new $5 monthly fee and degraded service; switch to Cingular and pay an upgrade fee; or cancel their service and pay a $175 early-termination fee.

"There was no good option for these people," said Public Justice lawyer Leslie Bailey.

In 2006, Public Justice filed a lawsuit seeking refunds for AT&T Wireless customers and sought class-action status.
Cingular/AT&T, which has since adopted the name AT&T, immediately asked a federal judge to dismiss the lawsuit and force the plaintiffs into arbitration, as required by their cell phone contracts.

The contracts signed by AT&T Wireless customers, included this phrase: "You and (AT&T) agree that each may bring claims against the other only in your or its individual capacity, and not as a plaintiff or class member."

Clause portrayed as 'class-action ban'
Last month, Public Justice filed a motion asking U.S. District Judge Ricardo Martinez to set aside what it calls a "class-action ban." Because the damages for each individual victim are small -- ranging from $5 to $175 -- few would bother to file an individual case against the firm. Only by banding together in a class-action case could victims get fair compensation, said Bailey.

"These people are affected by what we allege is deception, but it's unlikely any of these individuals will take on this huge corporation by themselves," she said.

In legal terms, she said, the ban is an exculpatory clause, which effectively frees the firm from any responsibility for its actions. In common language, Bailey said, it amounts to a "get out of jail free card."

"It doesn't say you can't sue us no matter what we do to you, but this accomplishes the same thing," she said.

AT&T denied misleading its customers and rejects the idea that the binding arbitration clause is unfair. It said in an e-mail statement that consumers are better served by filing individual arbitration cases or small claims court cases.

"We continue to believe a consumer is better off pursuing a claim under our arbitration clause, rather than pursuing a class action. Arbitration is typically a fast, cost-effective and pro-consumer way to address disputes, and AT&T's arbitration agreement is among the most consumer-friendly in the nation," the firm said.

'Fair and in the best interest of our customers'
The statement noted that consumers who use a lawyer and win an arbitration case are entitled to two times their legal fees. "We are confident our approach is both fair and in the best interest of our customers," it concluded.

But Bailey said only a tiny fraction of impacted consumers -- there have been 10 cases arbitrated against AT&T/Cingular since October 2006 -- have taken advantage of arbitration provisions, and few ever will.

The Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights, which is helping bring the case against AT&T, says the judge's ruling could set an important precedent in consumer law and class-action law.

“If the court rules that AT&T and Cingular’s customers cannot join together to sue these companies, then the companies will never be held accountable,” said Harvey Rosenfield, a lawyer with the group.

While judges have previously set aside contract language that would effectively ban all class-action cases, Bailey said lawyers for U.S. corporations are continually revising contract language to create a class-action ban that will withstand scrutiny. AT&T, she said, has altered its phrasing four times since the lawsuit was filed.

Class-action cases haven't always served consumers' interests, admits Bailey. In notorious "coupon" settlements, millions of victims get near-worthless service credits or discounts, while lawyers who file the cases get millions in fees.

Despite the abuses -- which she says Public Justice opposes – class-action lawsuits are an essential tool in consumer protection, she said. Allowing companies to unilaterally excuse themselves from class-action litigation would spell disaster for consumer rights.

"(Companies) know that if a class-action case can't be brought against them, they will not have to change their ways," she said. "It's all the more important in the lax regulatory environment we have, where federal agencies that are supposed to regulate large companies are not doing their jobs."

RED TAPE WRESTLING TIPS
Consumers should look for the binding arbitration clauses that are included in most contracts they sign today, purely as a matter of public awareness. One might be inclined to take a pen and strike the clause, but that rarely works, according to Public Justice. Employees are trained to tell consumers that the contract can’t be changed – it’s offered on a take-it-or-leave-it basis. A few consumers have managed to sign a contract with such a clause removed, but that’s against most firm’s policies, Bailey said.

Consumers who are worried about binding arbitration should do business with firms that don’t require it. That’s not easy, however , as all four major cell phone carriers include arbitration clauses in their contracts, she said.

Okay, heres the basic facts:

* AT&T merges with Cingular, and gives customers three pretty raw deals, screwing them out of anywhere between 5 and 175 bucks
*The AT&T contract says that consumers cannot sue the company in a class action, only as individuals. The customers signed that contract (who reads the fine print?)
*Consumer advocates worry that if clauses like this are allowed to stay, that large companies become free from any kind of accontibility, as long as they dont screw one guy of hundreds of thousands of dollars (one guy is not going to sue AT&T over 60 bucks)

So, is this fair? Poll Coming
 
No, it's crazy... A company shouldn't be able to make people sign agreements limiting the customers right to sue. In fact sme rights (like the right to sue) should be kept by an individual no matter what they sign saying otherwise.
 
*Consumer advocates worry that if clauses like this are allowed to stay, that large companies become free from any kind of accontibility, as long as they dont screw one guy of hundreds of thousands of dollars (one guy is not going to sue AT&T over 60 bucks)

So, is this fair? Poll Coming
Not fair, I am with those consumer advocates.
 
Many companies are also limiting your rights to litigation when you sign a contract with them. Sprint insists on provision by which the purchaser agrees to binding arbitration in a jurisdiction of Sprint's choice in the event of a dispute between the company and the consumer.

That being said, these provisions are overturned more often that not when challenged in court, especially when the situation is similar to the above. The courts do not like end runs around their jurisdiction.

Is it fair?, got me. Its likely unenforceable, but I can understand why they want it.
 
Consumers who are worried about binding arbitration should do business with firms that don’t require it. That’s not easy, however , as all four major cell phone carriers include arbitration clauses in their contracts, she said.

That's the problem.

This'll be fine. It's something like unconscionability, I think.
 
I'm pretty sure there is an ideal free-market solution in there somewhere, but while we search for it I suggest we have government intervene and stop companies putting such abusive clauses in their contracts.
 
Surely at the point the contract changed customers have the right to give the company the finger and refuse to pay the termination charge as the company is in breach of contract?
 
1. Surely the clause is simply illegal? It's basically saying, "You are not allowed to exercise your legal rights."
2. In this country, most industries aren't allowed to
- (a) charge such high punitive charges for people in breach of contract,
- (b) charge such high charges for people exercising a break clause in a contract.
3. In this country, the industry watchdog would never allow such an action by the company.
4. In this country, the Monopolies and Mergers Commission would have certainly forced the buyer to at least honour existing AT&T contracts.
 
There are people who think that a contract should be enforced no matter what. That's seriously bad idea.

A couple of months ago I was on a ferry between Canada and the US. The terms of the contract said that if an employee of the ferry service assaulted me in transit that I could not sue and that in any case, I agree that US courts have no jurisdiction in the matter.

Contracts like these should simply not be permitted.

That they are allowed is just a further attempt to shield firms from responsibility for their actions.
 
I think not. It will be corrupted and lobbied by the corporations, that's my guess.
 
is filing a class action lawsuit a legal right or a legal procedure that a contract can prevent?
 
Maybe if people actually read contracts before signing them..... I know that's way to much to ask for as evident in the real estate mess borrowers got them selves into but if the stipulations are in there and you sign your name you state that you agree to the terms. If you don't agree then don't sign. It really is that simple. Yes its fair. No one is forcing you to sign anything.
 
is filing a class action lawsuit a legal right or a legal procedure that a contract can prevent?

Its not a right.
 
Maybe if people actually read contracts before signing them..... I know that's way to much to ask for as evident in the real estate mess borrowers got them selves into but if the stipulations are in there and you sign your name you state that you agree to the terms. If you don't agree then don't sign. It really is that simple. Yes its fair. No one is forcing you to sign anything.

What about this, then?
Consumers who are worried about binding arbitration should do business with firms that don’t require it. That’s not easy, however , as all four major cell phone carriers include arbitration clauses in their contracts, she said.

If all the carriers in your area include clauses that you don't agree with, what do you do?
 
Maybe if people actually read contracts before signing them..... I know that's way to much to ask for as evident in the real estate mess borrowers got them selves into but if the stipulations are in there and you sign your name you state that you agree to the terms. If you don't agree then don't sign. It really is that simple. Yes its fair. No one is forcing you to sign anything.

the problem is that all carriers have such a policy so even reading it doesn't change much.
 
What about this, then?


If all the carriers in your area include clauses that you don't agree with, what do you do?

You don't get a phone. Last time I checked you didn't actually need one to survive.

If you don't agree then don't sign. No one is forcing you.

the problem is that all carriers have such a policy so even reading it doesn't change much.

No reading doesn't change anything. Well except understanding what your signing.

If you don't agree then don't sign. No one is forcing you.
 
You don't get a phone. Last time I checked you didn't actually need one to survive.

Ok so the ideal solution to companies screwing you in their contracts is to deprive yourself of the service they provide? :confused:

If you don't agree then don't sign. No one is forcing you.

Ok. What if companies providing you with electricity all have abusive clauses? The ideal solution would be to not get electricity?
 
Great Skad. Now show us where anyone signing up to that contract actually did agree to be screwed by the company changing the contract...?
 
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