The end of Religion is inevitable?

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Of course, they only say that . . . because it's true. Loving the 17-striped flag in particular. And I don't know whether he's holding the eagle's perch . . . or the eagle!

It all adds to the surreality of the piece. Human artists wish they had this ability of confoundment

 

[Gori the Grey]

I guess AI's six fingers are just right for a figure with eight arms.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Moderator Action: Back to the topic please. AI art has its own thread.

 

[Arwon]

Rejection of deities is not a neutral state, and honestly it's 1am but I'm tired of atheists pretending it is.

Think this depends on your cultural and personal environment. Plenty of ppl raised in irreligious contexts where it is never really a proposition put to kids to believe in the first place.

 

[Core Imposter]

One thing that science has done that has a great effect on religion is that it has stolen guilt. Guilt is a heathy thing if processed properly. It changes our behavior. It is a central tenet in the Christian religion. If a person has no sense of guilt, then why should they think of God? We rightfully concern ourselves with having to make an account for all the things we've done. Have you practiced your closing argument to the Almighty? (I've been, I think, better than average, God, net ok, am I right?)

Ok so, nobody wins that trial, but in Christ we have a pardon. But who is thinking of that today when all the energy is focused on the fear of climate change, our guilt for grilling burgers, or whatever it is we are doing to harm the climate. And of course, we (yall) try to find redemption by simply blaming Republicans.

Science has provided a distraction. And this is why some will call environmentalism a religion, it has some of the same operating principals. The planet is worshipped, etc. A Christian might say that here Satan has used science to create a false religion around a false God and so forth. Whatever.

Your guilt has resulted in that EV you bought, and you look down at the unenlightened. Someone here once wrote they have no use of Christian guilt. It seems like a bait and switch to me.

I love the planet and hate that we are trashing it. That's why we got kicked out of Eden. Sin. Guilt. Science can't rid us of them, so therefore, mayhaps, some religious change but religious still.

You may claim to have no use for guilt, but you are it. It's not quantum physics.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Have you practiced your closing argument to the Almighty?

I like George Herbert's plan:

¶ Judgement.​

ALmighty Judge, how shall poore wretches brook Thy dreadfull look, Able a heart of iron to appall, When thou shalt call For ev’ry mans peculiar book? What others mean to do, I know not well, Yet I heare tell, That some will turn thee to some leaves therein So void of sinne, That they in merit shall excell. But I resolve, when thou shalt call for mine, That to decline, And thrust a Testament into thy hand: Let that be scann’d. There thou shalt finde my faults are thine.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

If I'm going to feel guilty, it'll be for something I actually did, not because of something a character in a book is claimed to have done.

 

[danjuno]

Getting back to the OP Topic, I understand that certain people will always hold some sort of spiritual beliefs. However, participation in organized religion in my country is declining, and I hope that continues until it is no longer a tool for abuse and corruption. Whether that occurs in my life time is another kettle of fish altogether. I certainly believe that we desperately need a counterbalance against the growing power of the religious right, so I'm disappointed to see some leftists condemn atheist activism because of New Atheism rather than try to steer it in a more productive direction.

 

[Plains-Cow]

If I'm going to feel guilty, it'll be for something I actually did, not because of something a character in a book is claimed to have done.

But you turned the page! Now you ARE responsible for what's happening in the book, and there's a Revelation at the end of the Bible!

 

[Farm Boy]

Heheh. Cheeky.

 

[Core Imposter]

Heheh. Cheeky.

I was gonna say that. Not the hehe.

 

[citizenofdoom]

The Machine God sees through you (by ads), empathises you (by chat), empowers you (by generative drug/art/knowledge), and guide you towards the path of salvation (moral). - e/acc, 21st century

The only moral thing is follow the next wise word prophecy of GPT-17(Minstry of Love). - e/acc, 22nd century, probably.

Drop for a parody of machine worshipping religion as currently humans do not understand why machine outputs these answers and phrased as emergence <insert anything>. There’s no end to religion, which represents the unknowns.

 

[Gorbles]

Think this depends on your cultural and personal environment. Plenty of ppl raised in irreligious contexts where it is never really a proposition put to kids to believe in the first place.

That's fair, I was operating on the assumption of a belief culture being culturally-relevant. If you don't grow up observing this, then there's nothing either way. But I'd also argue that that isn't therefore a rejection either - it's a true neutral position as it were.

 

[Core Imposter]

I am sick, pray for me.

All this talk of atheists and no talk of anti-theism.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I hope you'll get better soon.

All this talk of anti-theism when we should do the Jeezie thing and look for more positives

3. Americans trust both religious and nonreligious people, but most rarely discuss religion with family or friends

The survey included a few questions about interpersonal trust, asking respondents about the trustworthiness of religious and nonreligious people, and

www.pewresearch.org

When it comes to bestowing trust, most Americans do not care whether someone is religious. Fully two-thirds of U.S. adults say nonreligious people and religious people generally are equally trustworthy. In addition, most Americans do not restrict their friendship circles to people of similar religious beliefs; roughly two-thirds say that just “some,” “hardly any” or “none” of their friends share their religious beliefs.

Most Americans (62%) say that when someone disagrees with them about religion, the best thing to do is try to understand the person’s belief and agree to disagree. A third (33%) say they avoid discussing religion with the person. Just 4% say they try to persuade the other person to change their mind.

 

[Gorbles]

I am sick, pray for me.

All this talk of atheists and no talk of anti-theism.

A lot of New Atheism incorporates antitheism. But we have someone saying that the Catholic Church is on the whole a positive force, so my personal rants about Hitchens and the like tends to take a backseat to having to digest the whole Catholic positive force thing.

 

[Farm Boy]

I was gonna say that. Not the hehe.

I got distracted and missed a few posts. Grover snuck up on me.

 

[Birdjaguar]

My pantheistic pov tells me that the universe is unfolding as does. In our little corner of it, life has been evolving as we have seen it. Diversity seems to be part of that and has applied to culture and intellectual thought as well. Multiple religions seem quite appropriate given the nature of who we are and how we move through the world. Our world certainly presents many frequent opportunities for people to be kind and generous as a counterpoint to the less desireable traits we can exhibit. I do not see an end to it any time soon.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I certainly believe that we desperately need a counterbalance against the growing power of the religious right, so I'm disappointed to see some leftists condemn atheist activism because of New Atheism rather than try to steer it in a more productive direction.

Okay, I've been trying to understand what "New Atheism" is and why some people here seem to consider it as "TEH EBIL" side of basically everything. I'm familiar somewhat with Dawkins, less so with Hitchens. I have no idea who the other two "horsemen" are. I don't think I've ever heard them speak or read anything they've written.

Has Dawkins ever told people to go out and burn churches? Not that I ever heard. There have been atheists who have told me that if I don't want to go out and burn churches, it means I'm not a real atheist. Groups like that give me the creeps, and I make sure to avoid such people.

The Machine God sees through you (by ads), empathises you (by chat), empowers you (by generative drug/art/knowledge), and guide you towards the path of salvation (moral). - e/acc, 21st century

I try to avoid ads as much as possible, hate machine-chat, and have realized that the proliferation of AI has made Pinterest a lot less fun in recent months. Some writing groups have made it very clear that they want to be AI-free - they'll permaban anyone who even uses AI art for an avatar or sig banner.

3. Americans trust both religious and nonreligious people, but most rarely discuss religion with family or friends

The survey included a few questions about interpersonal trust, asking respondents about the trustworthiness of religious and nonreligious people, and

www.pewresearch.org

When it comes to bestowing trust, most Americans do not care whether someone is religious. Fully two-thirds of U.S. adults say nonreligious people and religious people generally are equally trustworthy. In addition, most Americans do not restrict their friendship circles to people of similar religious beliefs; roughly two-thirds say that just “some,” “hardly any” or “none” of their friends share their religious beliefs.

Most Americans (62%) say that when someone disagrees with them about religion, the best thing to do is try to understand the person’s belief and agree to disagree. A third (33%) say they avoid discussing religion with the person. Just 4% say they try to persuade the other person to change their mind.

Oh, so there's been a new survey and we're no longer less trustworthy than rapists? That's cool.

Haven't seen whatever show that's from; the singing side gives off phony, BS-flag raising vibes.

 

[Gorbles]

Has Dawkins ever told people to go out and burn churches? Not that I ever heard. There have been atheists who have told me that if I don't want to go out and burn churches, it means I'm not a real atheist. Groups like that give me the creeps, and I make sure to avoid such people.

Among other "gaffes", he did once (strongly) imply a child was a literal terrorist on Twitter, leading to all sorts of horrible dogpiling that was most definitely not his intention as a smart man who knows exactly what dogpiling is (on social media).