The Fifty First State

[Quackers]

I think Canada will get to qualify as more than one state. Our hat gets more than 2 senators!

You treat your hats well. In England we treat our hat like the measely cap it is. Not the proud top hat America has

 

[Traitorfish]

But you're not anti-Scottish or anything, right, Quackers?

 

[Quackers]

But you're not anti-Scottish or anything, right, Quackers?

Like a bee to honey, eh TF?

 

[Traitorfish]

Bees don't eat honey.

 

[NickyJ]

You treat your hats well. In England we treat our hat like the measely cap it is. Not the proud top hat America has

 

[Quackers]

Bees don't eat honey.

Like a bear then, they love honey - nobody disputes that

haha

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Got Source? Or is it another "assumption" of yours?


One is about mass-murdering, the other is about slavery. I am certain that neither Jews nor slaves would appreciate their being lumped together when they experienced different evils.

Did you forget concentration camp victims were slaves as well? Did you forget the German government awarded them reparations for it? Oh wait, that assumes you have more than a cursory understanding of history...

 

[Formaldehyde]

What disturbs me the most is the apologism in this thread that surrounds slavery.

It is much like the handful of slave owners who didn't chronically mistreat and abuse their slaves. They were dumbfounded when the vast majority wanted to leave anyway when they finally got their freedom. They thought their slaves understood that it was all for their own good. How their lives were so much better off than they likely would have been if they didn't have a benevolent owner who took care of their every need.

 

[Dachs]

Eh? They were being produced and planned in the 20th century. And I'd say it was more a mix of the fall of the Roman Republic/rise of Hitler/American Civil War/purge of the Templars/massacre of the Mamluks than anything else.

Mostly Rome and Hitler. There's some ACW stuff, but that's mostly revolving around the oddly familiarly named Grand Army of the Republic.

That said, though, the specific line VR was talking about probably was a modern reference to Bush, even though the overall story certainly wasn't.

 

[NickyJ]

Did you forget concentration camp victims were slaves as well? Did you forget the German government awarded them reparations for it? Oh wait, that assumes you have more than a cursory understanding of history...

The fact of the matter is that Jews were being mass-murdered, and blacks were enslaved. Both faced evils, and both evils were different. They are not comparable.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

The fact of the matter is that Jews were being mass-murdered, and blacks were enslaved. Both faced evils, and both evils were different. They are not comparable.

Yes they are.

 

[GamezRule]

The fact of the matter is that Jews were being mass-murdered, and blacks were enslaved. Both faced evils, and both evils were different. They are not comparable.

Jews were being enslaved and forced to work in factories producing various things, including items that were used to exterminate them. Have you seen Schindler's List?

 

[NickyJ]

Yes they are.

How?

Jews were being enslaved and forced to work in factories producing various things, including items that were used to exterminate them. Have you seen Schindler's List?

Perhaps, but six million Jews were exterminated. Death is not the same as slavery.

Also, no, I haven't seen the movie.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

How?

You love to ignore what you can't refute don't you?

Perhaps, but six million Jews were exterminated. Death is not the same as slavery.

And how many untold slaves were starved/beaten to death or outright killed?

Or right, none, because they had 'familial bonds' to their masters.

 

[NickyJ]

You love to ignore what you can't refute don't you?

Would you like another chance to answer the question? Because here it is.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Wait, so now the CSA was just as evil as Hitler's Nazism? Really?



The CSA did allow slaves to be treated pretty much however, but most slaves did not really get treated anywhere near as horribly as the Jews in the Holocaust. They weren't typically tortured. Slaves on plantations were usually treated very poorly, while slaves on "Local" farms were probably treated as well as could be under those flawed conditions. But I haven't heard of ANY slaves being treated as awfully as Hitler's people treated the Jews. That's just horrible to even make the comparison. Its laughably pathetic. I think any Holocaust-survivor would probably be ticked off at the comparison.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Please, please tell me you were joking by repeating that ridiculous line. There are plenty of things that warrant an absolute view.

Rape is always wrong. Pretty absolute, no room for wiggle there.
Child molestation is always wrong.
And so forth and so on...

I swear, I know hollywood loves to dump on conservatives, but that line was probably the worst attempt at Bush bashing that I saw (IIRC though, he actually said absolutes rather than black and white)

I thought that line was dumb when I first heard it, but never realized it was deliberate Bush-bashing

A lot of the politics of the prequel trilogy are an analogy for the Bush administration and "War on Terror". If you missed it, it's just because it's one of the most poorly-constructed and clumsily-presented such analogies in cinema history, so you tend to assume it's just bad film-making until somebody actually points it out to you.

I entirely missed it

What disturbs me the most is the apologism in this thread that surrounds slavery.

Please do show us, I haven't seen anyone defend slavery. What I have seen were some ridiculous attempts to put the CSA on equal footing with the Nazis, and some people correcting that absurd outlook, but nobody defending slavery so far as I've seen.

 

[NickyJ]

 

[GamezRule]

What? No. The line in the movie, "Only a Sith deals in absolutes" was a swipe at Bush and his "You're either with us or against us" line.

I can't remember which movie that quote is from, but I'm thinking III. Either way, the concept of "either with or against me" predates Bush.

 

[Abegweit]

Except that the Confederates didn't want to destroy "the state". They just wanted their own state that suited their form of tyranny better.

I agree totally with your analysis of the Confederates. However, I don't recall saying anything about them. My point was that the Right of Secession is the foundation of all justice. It is an individual right (e.g. you personally can decide to be a country of one). All statists deny this. They assert a right to decide for you. IOW, a statist is a slaver. There really isn't any difference.