The Future of NESing

[Thlayli]

I'm sort of the resident grumpy old man who believes society has gone to hell.

Well I pretty much agree with you. True, a lot of newbies do have some problems, and most don't stick around for a long time...but we shouldn't treat them worse because of it.

 

[Insane_Panda]

Of course not, I'm not advocating to treat them poorly - I'm advocating to treat them according to their merits.

Newer NESers need to have a sense of humility. You can't just barge in with a lololroxo, take an important position, and ruin the NES for everybody. Newer NESers need to accept the fact that they have a lot to learn, and that if they put the effort into making mature and non-stupid decisions, then they will grow as a player. However, they cannot expect skills to come with an increased postcount, nor can they expect respect because of that. Improving takes hardwork.

A basic understanding of history and how geopolitics works wouldn't be bad either. (Something which ALOT of new players lack.)

 

[JosefStalinator]

I'm sort of the resident grumpy old man who believes society has gone to hell.

You are way too young an NESer to have that position, I challenge you for that title. I've been around longer, am always on, and constantly reminisce over the good old days.

Also, and ask anyone who knows me, my most commonly used phrase is "Kids these days..."

And on a less spammy note, the CFC client seems to be working fine without needing trillian.

EDIT: But I do agree strongly with the above post by you, that the understanding of history and humility is what marks future full time NESers from the short lived noob.

 

[Turner]

Newer NESers need to have a sense of humility. You can't just barge in with a lololroxo, take an important position, and ruin the NES for everybody. Newer NESers need to accept the fact that they have a lot to learn, and that if they put the effort into making mature and non-stupid decisions, then they will grow as a player. However, they cannot expect skills to come with an increased postcount, nor can they expect respect because of that. Improving takes hardwork.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the concept of NESing here, but isn't that up to the NES-Mod to ensure that they newer members come along?

And I didn't say you had to use Trillian, I was just offering alternatives.

 

[JosefStalinator]

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the concept of NESing here, but isn't that up to the NES-Mod to ensure that they newer members come along?

And I didn't say you had to use Trillian, I was just offering alternatives.

The Mod's job is to implement the orders of the players and keep the game lively, they run the risk of ruining the game if all they do is nudge noobs along the important decisions and such.

That's not to say they shouldn't do it, but its not their main job.

 

[Turner]

Well, one thing to do is like what they do with SGs, have a 'Training Day' NES running that brings newbs up to speed.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

New members just kinda wander in. I started NESing when I misclicked and entered this forum instead of stories and tales, then read Kamilian's NES.

Actively recruiting gets far fewer dedicated NESers. Or maybe we just aren't trying enough.

EDIT: Whoops, misunderstood you. Thought 'come along' meant join the forum, not gain skill.

Yeah, it's kind of a secondary job for a moderator of a NES.

 

[MjM]

A few people are in chat now, would be nice to have some more.

 

[Swissempire]

Everyone ignored my rant /me is saddened

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

I'm sort of the resident grumpy old man who believes society has gone to hell.

You think your a grumpy old man? JosefStalinator, you can't claim it either. I'd have to say i'm grumpier and older NES wise. I have many many grievances against the new people in NESing, and quite frankly it was all better in the old days. A lot of you youngins don't know most of the people who started it all, and what you do know is incomplete or wrong. Also, NESes aren't NESes anymore, though that hasn't been the case for 3 or 4 years now. I can also claim grumpy oldness through the fact that I have managed to somehow be cursed with only being able to create one legendary NES, which most people seem to not know. Bleh. If In the Shadow of Rome flops (which it is looking like at this moment in time), I'm going to give it one more shot, then I'm pulling out of here like most of the other old people.

 

[das]

have a 'Training Day' NES running that brings newbs up to speed.

There are many comparatively-simple NESes around that are good for the newly-arrived.

Really, I do not see any terrible problems with the state of NESing today. It is functioning just fine, and so do the newbies. Incidentally, I can only recall one-two people that might - with some difficulty - fit under Panda's definition. And just about everyone has lots of space for improvement, really. Though I do often find myself irritated at some of j_eps' antics in the Shadow of Rome, for instance, he IS aware of his flaws. Which already is quite relieving, IMHO.

The one thing that DOES annoy me are doomsday predictions that still appear from time to time, such as the previous "lets move the forum!" madness. But then, I don't believe in global warming neither... We'll see.

Also, NESes aren't NESes anymore, though that hasn't been the case for 3 or 4 years now.

Huh?

 

[Sheep]

My honest opinion is until the influx of new players diminish (and there are quite a few out there) we should stay where we are.

I for one respect our neutral moderators in the fact that they dont bend the rules for anyone. Yes nesing can get spammy at times, HOWEVER what does get moderated severly is worth it.

Oh and on Gelion's note on diplomacy in my new nes, hes right, you guys do need to actually get into character instead of going 'do you want to trade tech?'

For christ sake someone read the diplomacy messages I write and take note. I get into chracter as Nesing is about role playing that nation, breathing, sleeping, eating that nation and really enjoying it. (Well perhaps not the point of being obsessed is quite required)

 

[Sheep]

Eq dont leave there are still most of left, I think we should really have someone moderate an invitation only nes one day.

 

[North King]

Thos who believe that the good old days are better merely have no memory recollection capabilities.

No, just kidding. NESing appeals to a different subset of the population than it did. Fortunately for people like me, we happen to fall in both subsets, so we enjoyed the story NESes of old, and the game NESes of new (though I still pine for the old).

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

invitation only NES, hmmmmmmm. This would go well for the throwback i'm planning.

 

[das]

Another thing I really hate in threads as this is that people seem to think that this is a state, as opposed to an online community. Radically different types and visions of NESes coexist just fine, and "good old day" NESes could be easily revived if enough people are interested. Its not like anything died irreversably...

And great idea about an invitation NES. I'll stop ranting now as this finally seems to be getting somewhere.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Hear Hear! das speaks the truth.

 

[The Farow]

Now when I first came here I wrote terrible orders and alright diplomacy. I have to say I think I have grown a bit in NESing and try my best to stay in character.

In EQs NES I think the only annoying antics would be that of Spain. Their diplomacy is never really that serious.

If I am ever doing anything wrong I am willing to take criticism and do my best to improve my diplomacy. For example I was once the USA and I completely ruined it losing D.C. I took the advice os Sympony and I have never played a great power in a dangerous starting position and try to stay to smaller to medium powers.

I am still learning and plan to continue vastly improving my skills. I probably will never take a great power for some time unless I can stay interested. I have to admit my order length really depends on my interest and dertermination to keep my nation strong in a NES.

For that matter I could care less if we move or stay. Both seem to work fine as long as NESing is not danger itself.

 

[Gelion]

[EDIT] Also, Gelion, I'd like to say that I don't think a NES Wiki was an entirely bad idea. It was poorly executed, poorly edited, poorly managed, and ultimately useless, to be sure, but the concept was sound. We just seem to lack someone of sufficient qualifications (obsessive-compulsive disorder) to sit down and craft a well-written one. Generally agree with your other points though.

Thanks and I totaly share your opinion on the Wiki. Its not what I want to see there, but at least its there...

 

[das]

In EQs NES I think the only annoying antics would be that of Spain. Their diplomacy is never really that serious.

Spain is so obvious it needn't be mentioned, really. j_eps isn't as bad as that (and I sincerely believe there is salvation even for Captain2 ), but a democratic AHY that acts like OTL 21st Century America without the firepower is, well, wrong. Not Spain-wrong, but still wrong.