The Islamophobia Network

[PeteAtoms]

Yes, I am familiar with the concept - what I was getting at was that the "human rights violations" of the USA are currently negligible compared to those in the MENA. To suggest otherwise is an insult to the millions that suffer exponentially worse everyday in those regions.

Those millions of suffering people are the result of political strife.

Is this a topic about Xenophobia or Islamophobia?

 

[NiRv4n4]

Those millions of suffering people are the result of political strife.

Is this a topic about Xenophobia or Islamophobia?

So oppressive policies against women, homosexuals, criminals, and non-Muslims throughout the Muslim world are only a result of political strife? I reckon Islam, or "certain versions of Islam", are at least somewhat responsible.

 

[Traitorfish]

Yes, I am familiar with the concept - what I was getting at was that the "human rights violations" of the USA are currently negligible compared to those in the MENA. To suggest otherwise is an insult to the millions that suffer exponentially worse everyday in those regions.

Regardless of how oppressive the USA might have been in the past, in this year, it is miles better in terms of human rights than most of the world. And that includes most of the Muslim world.

That still isn't what I meant. It's the fundamental poverty of Kochman's logic which I'm getting at, i.e. his attempt to dodge criticisms of one group by pointing at another. Your blether is neither here nor there on that topic.

So oppressive policies against women, homosexuals, criminals, and non-Muslims throughout the Muslim world are only a result of political strife? I reckon Islam, or "certain versions of Islam", are at least somewhat responsible.

Ideas are autonomous actors now?

 

[PeteAtoms]

I reckon Islam, or "certain versions of Islam", are at least somewhat responsible.

Nope. People with power will use whatever tools they have at their disposal. Religion is a tool for people that have power or want power. At this point, religion is a framing device used by Americans to justify further interference and manipulation in the Middle East.

It's a prop that is used to draw attention away from other issues or used as an excuse. This song and dance has been going on for ages.

 

[Quackers]

I'm not really sure what this has to do with anything, beyond noting that white conservative Christians tend not to be offended by things like this when they don't affect conservative Christians. Which isn't what you'd call a defence of the comments.

Simply, most viewers do not academically analyse everything that is being said. They just view it and not much else. You, on the other hand, over-analyse and come up with the wrong conclusion - after all it is bigoted Fox news right, it must be wrong and evil!

Not at all. I'm just saying that you don't appear to.

Of course, only people who truely understand come up with an identical opinion with yours.

I have no such authority, and I don't believe that I've suggested as much.

Hence: IF, on my part.

I was talking in sociological terms, not Marxian terms. But nice try.

wut

 

[Loppan Torkel]

It seems the Islamophobic conspiracy has reached the Swedish Security Service.

The Islamist motivated terrorism is still ten years after the attacks on the World Trade Center on 11 September 2001, the biggest threat to Sweden. This despite the fact that Al Qaeda has weakened significantly in recent years and despite the far-right violence as Anders Breivik accounted for in Norway.

- SÄPO, link Swedish Radio

 

[RedRalph]

It is entirely logical that adherents of one religion should think their surperior to all others and all others to be false, and they are free to say as much.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

It is entirely logical that adherents of one religion should think their surperior to all others and all others to be false, and they are free to say as much.

Is this directed to the Islamophiles or Islamophobes, or just a general statement?

 

[RedRalph]

Is this directed to the Islamophiles or Islamophobes, or just a general statement?

Generally. If you think yours is the one true faith, how could you think otherwise? Either you believe your religion is the only true one or you don't.

 

[Flying Pig]

Generally. If you think yours is the one true faith, how could you think otherwise? Either you believe your religion is the only true one or you don't.

That doesn't make it superior. I think I'm right about religion, but that doesn't make my views superior to anyone else's, any more than my views on the best brands of beer are 'superior' to someone else's.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

Generally. If you think yours is the one true faith, how could you think otherwise? Either you believe your religion is the only true one or you don't.

I think that having, or having had, a belief like this will make you understand a similar counterpart to a much greater degree than someone without an experience of such a belief, someone who most likely would believe himself to have a more objective and correct view of the issue.

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

Another thing I can't seem to grasp: why does it seem like atheists/secularists/whathaveyou will mock Christianity without a second though, yet decry mocking of Islam to be bigoted or Islamophobic or whatever? I just treat all religions with relative degrees of derision.

 

[NiRv4n4]

Another thing I can't seem to grasp: why does it seem like atheists/secularists/whathaveyou will mock Christianity without a second though, yet decry mocking of Islam to be bigoted or Islamophobic or whatever? I just treat all religions with relative degrees of derision.

I think it is sort of an "underdog" issue - Islam is the oppressed minority who needs protection, and Christianity is the big baddie who is doing the oppressing. Which is nonsense.

 

[Arakhor]

There's a difference between mocking something and then being flat out incorrect.

 

[LucyDuke]

Another thing I can't seem to grasp: why does it seem like atheists/secularists/whathaveyou will mock Christianity without a second though, yet decry mocking of Islam to be bigoted or Islamophobic or whatever? I just treat all religions with relative degrees of derision.

I object to Christians pretending their religion is substantially different from Islam in terms of its endorsement of its adherents' violence.

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

Well that goes without saying. I think it's pretty obvious that monotheism in general is intrinsically totalitarian. Violence is a symptom of that.

 

[NiRv4n4]

But are some monotheistic religions more "totalitarian" than others? Like I said last page, if Christianity and Islam are both just as "totalitarian", then why is the Christian world not dotted with theocracies?

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

Pressure from secular forces which has minimized the role of Christianity in Western society. Didn't we cover this already?

 

[Formaldehyde]

Another thing I can't seem to grasp: why does it seem like atheists/secularists/whathaveyou will mock Christianity without a second though, yet decry mocking of Islam to be bigoted or Islamophobic or whatever? I just treat all religions with relative degrees of derision.

I think you are missing the point here. They aren't criticizing religion in general. They are mostly religious people themselves who are criticizing a particular religion which has many of the same roots and inherent problems as their own.

I object to Christians pretending their religion is substantially different from Islam in terms of its endorsement of its adherents' violence.

Exactly.

 

[Junius]

Well that goes without saying. I think it's pretty obvious that monotheism in general is intrinsically totalitarian. Violence is a symptom of that.

Is that obvious? There would seem to be so many counter-examples that it seems like more of a caricature than reality.