The last Antisemitic Events

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Many people fear the day that we will have to annex the West Bank and Gaza, many thinks it will be the end of the Jewish state, that's why we want to finish this thing already.
And you think that removing the settler will be easy? It means to relocate all these people to somewhere new in Israel, with all due respect,some of these who were removed from Gaza Strip are still living in Caravans, and they were something like 1000 households!
And support for settlements? The only settlements that are getting support is those who ra part of settling cluster (Ariel, Ma'ale Adumim and Gush Etzion with the last being the least supported), the outposts outside these are agreed to be evacuate (In return the Palestinians are getting The Arabian Triangle inside Israel), the only things that are problematic are Jordan Vally and Jerusalem and the last one to be de-facto and de-jure annexed by Israel, and the situation prior to six days war con not return...
Many believe here that their leadership doesn't want peace. There were negotiations with them (with Tzipi Livni in charge) where she said they came up with irrational proposals for even to restart negotiations.
There was building freeze for 9 months in the start of 2009 for pleasing their leadership, they didn't want to talk. Now we released hundreds of terrorists during the last talk to please them, they still don't want to talk, and of course the problem with Hamas-Fatah Unitarian government (a terror organization that shoot rockets for a very long time as daily rutine, and with Islamic affiliation...), problematic...

I wasn't referring to the latest 'peace talks' specifically, but to the fact that since 1948 Israel somehow has managed not to enter into normal relations with the Palestinians. Consecutive Israeli governments have done nothing to halt settlement growth, so the problem with removing them is entirely on the head of the Israeli government. And when an Israeli PM does actually enter into peace talks with Palestinians, he gets murdered by a fanatic. If there was a political will to come to a peace settlement, it would have been agreed upon long ago. The grim reality, however, is that keeping the status quo is only in the advantage of Israel. The Palestinians look the 'bad guys' for not entering into serious negotiations and Israel can point to continued rocket attacks to show how 'reasonable' their position is.

As per 'hundreds of terrorists' being released: kids throwing stones at soldiers are considered terrorists now by Israelis?

Kaiserguard's views on annexation may be presumed well-known by now. They also ignore the fact that Israel still has a stranglehold on both Gaza and the Westbank. No need for ' annexation' therefore. Rants apart: it's not going to happen. In the current situation Israel can simply point to the Palestinians and say they can't control their own citizenry, leaving no advantage with regards actual annexation.
 
Hence your position regarding Zionism is all down to your Jewish identity and feeling of belongingness to this race?

No harm intended just asking.

To some extent it is. I don't think Zionism holds the key to all Jewish issues, however, and ultimately, the state of Israel may turn out to be a failure in the long run. Palestinians are - in my view - also Hebrews, though ones who have lost connection with their Hebrew heritage, unlike Jews.

I identify myself primarily as a Dutchman, however, and I would not have supported Israel the way I do now if it ran contrary to that.
 
I wasn't referring to the latest 'peace talks' specifically, but to the fact that since 1948 Israel somehow has managed not to enter into normal relations with the Palestinians. Consecutive Israeli governments have done nothing to halt settlement growth, so the problem with removing them is entirely on the head of the Israeli government. And when an Israeli PM does actually enter into peace talks with Palestinians, he gets murdered by a fanatic. If there was a political will to come to a peace settlement, it would have been agreed upon long ago. The grim reality, however, is that keeping the status quo is only in the advantage of Israel. The Palestinians look the 'bad guys' for not entering into serious negotiations and Israel can point to continued rocket attacks to show how 'reasonable' their position is.

As per 'hundreds of terrorists' being released: kids throwing stones at soldiers are considered terrorists now by Israelis?

Kaiserguard's views on annexation may be presumed well-known by now. They also ignore the fact that Israel still has a stranglehold on both Gaza and the Westbank. No need for ' annexation' therefore. Rants apart: it's not going to happen. In the current situation Israel can simply point to the Palestinians and say they can't control their own citizenry, leaving no advantage with regards actual annexation.

Until 1967 the West Bank and Gaza were held by Jordan and Egypt respectively, with the first giving these who lived there citizenship and annexed the whole area, the last turned it into one big refugee camp and gave no citizenship to those who lived there, in fact the Egyptian claimed that the whole of Israel is Palestine and they declared that quite blatantly, there were no Palestinians to negotiate with until the 90's.
Oslo Accords were disaster, not short after there was a huge wave of terrorism which made the whole thing irrelevant.
And Gaza strip borders Egypt, and is controlled by a terror organization, and we do supply them food and such.

The Palestinians gains also from this thing, for example: the Electricity, they haven't payed the bills for couple of years now and they refused to proposition (made by Netanyahu) to build their own electricity company... There is also the lobby of donating nations and such.
And lets don't forget the obscene propaganda in their educational system, and I know this for a fact...

And the prisoners weren't "Kids with stones" (and stone can kill) they were terrorist who planned/executed terror acts against Israeli civilians,
 
The Palestinians gains also from this thing, for example: the Electricity, they haven't payed the bills for couple of years now and they refused to proposition (made by Netanyahu) to build their own electricity company... There is also the lobby of donating nations and such.
And lets don't forget the obscene propaganda in their educational system, and I know this for a fact...

The Palestinian government also gets a lot of money from Arab nations, the EU, USA and yes, even Israel. It is basically run as any other third-world state and probably would die quickly if it weren't for the billions of dollars that are sent to Palestine every year.
 
To some extent it is. I don't think Zionism holds the key to all Jewish issues, however, and ultimately, the state of Israel may turn out to be a failure in the long run. Palestinians are - in my view - also Hebrews, though ones who have lost connection with their Hebrew heritage, unlike Jews.

I identify myself primarily as a Dutchman, however, and I would not have supported Israel the way I do now if it ran contrary to that.

I found it interesting your view regarding Palestinian on being a Hebrew, however in the end all of that for me is (for myself) becoming not important as I don't see it right for anyone to connected their self identification with a certain government or state that claim to represent the existence, identity of their kind. There is always separate terms between the state and the subject or the peoples, if state is a representation of a race or representation of a community, that can end up to be self-righteous.

Hence in your perspective it is possible that Chomsky and Finklestein are self hating Jews. But for me they are not. Because I think they are human before they are Jews.

And it is interesting for me to learn, the exact reason for Finklestein to condemn Israel is that because his family is a direct victim of Auschwitz concentration camp, so his reason for against Zionism is because he is a Jew (very much opposite to yours), he doesn't want Jews to do something that befall them in the past, which he believe it is exactly what happen. I have tons of respect for these two person, these self hating Jews.

How about if you are born Palestinian, will you support Israel?
 
Side note about the prisoners: many of them used the time in the prison to get degrees, academic degrees...
Chomsky is extreme-left, no matter how you turn it, and Finkelstien met with Hezbollah Leaders, that says it all.
 
I found it interesting your view regarding Palestinian on being a Hebrew, however in the end all of that for me is (for myself) becoming not important as I don't see it right for anyone to connected their self identification with a certain government or state that claim to represent the existence, identity of their kind. There is always separate terms between the state and the subject or the peoples, if state is a representation of a race or representation of a community, that can end up to be self-righteous.

Hence in your perspective it is possible that Chomsky and Finklestein are self hating Jews. But for me they are not. Because I think they are human before they are Jews.

I wouldn't consider Chomsky or Finkelstein to be self-hating Jews, in spite of their opinions on Israel. Being opposed to the existence Israel does not make one antisemitic. I would consider my position on Israel to be at least partially independent of my Jewish descent, even though it plays a role. However, I think that any position that could potentially lead to the destruction of Israel could well be very hazardous to Jews worldwide. In some ways, I perceive the "Anti-Israel = Antisemitic" reflex as defensive mechanism, considering many legit antisemites are Anti-Israel as well.

Most non-Jewish Dutch people I know and who are not indifferent to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (which is the vast majority) support Israel as well.

How about if you are born Palestinian, will you support Israel?

I wouldn't know. I can't think for any other position than my own, as egocentric that may sound. If I lived in Palestine itself, I might have been tempted to oppose Israel. If I grew up in another country, or had Israeli citizenship, I might have thought the same as I do now.
 
@Kaiserguard: I really respect your honesty, truly. I think it will be good to think yourselves also in their shoes. However the lazy Haroon hasn't done much regarding his final paper, this addictive CFC OT has suck him in too deep, he must finish his fourth final paper now because the deadline already came.
 
I guess Squonk did convince me. Israel is an apartheid state. And Israel controls America. Jews have way too much power and use it to support Israel!

I ashamed to be a Jew! Wished I could have no Jewish ancestors back to 1750!

Well, Jews SHOULD be ashamed for Israel now.
Israel is an apartheid state.
Israel doesn't control America, but heavily influences its foreign policy to the point that it does America much more harm then good. American politicians are declaring their dedication to Israel, USA pumps into Israel 3x more money than it wants to perhaps pump into entire Central-Eastern Europe, endangered with Russian imperialism... Pro-Israeli American senators are (do they know it or do they not) traitors of their home country and of justice.
 
The financial aid is limited to American weapon purchase, they aren't losing from it.
And if the state if Israel was aparthide there were no Arabian senators, and there are, we even had an Arabian minister (minister of culture if I remember correctly).


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Until 1967 the West Bank and Gaza were held by Jordan and Egypt respectively, with the first giving these who lived there citizenship and annexed the whole area, the last turned it into one big refugee camp and gave no citizenship to those who lived there, in fact the Egyptian claimed that the whole of Israel is Palestine and they declared that quite blatantly, there were no Palestinians to negotiate with until the 90's.
Oslo Accords were disaster, not short after there was a huge wave of terrorism which made the whole thing irrelevant.
And Gaza strip borders Egypt, and is controlled by a terror organization, and we do supply them food and such.

That must be why Gaza is in need of all kinds of supplies. I'm not sure what your mention of previous Westbank ownerhsip has to do with Palestinians, but soit.

The Palestinians gains also from this thing, for example: the Electricity, they haven't payed the bills for couple of years now and they refused to proposition (made by Netanyahu) to build their own electricity company... There is also the lobby of donating nations and such.

So, you are saying without Israel the PA wouldn't even have electricity. Interesting.

And lets don't forget the obscene propaganda in their educational system, and I know this for a fact...

And the prisoners weren't "Kids with stones" (and stone can kill) they were terrorist who planned/executed terror acts against Israeli civilians,

Source?

The Palestinian government also gets a lot of money from Arab nations, the EU, USA and yes, even Israel. It is basically run as any other third-world state and probably would die quickly if it weren't for the billions of dollars that are sent to Palestine every year.

Yes, of course. We'll forget about the billion dollar aid Israel receives yearly, dwarfing any aid to Palestinians.

I'm sorry, how is this supposed to be an argument on topic even?

Side note about the prisoners: many of them used the time in the prison to get degrees, academic degrees...

And I'm sure this again somehow is a bad thing. You seem to know a whole lot about these 'hundreds of released terrorists'.
 
There are many sources in the Hebrew press, the international one doesn't publish such things.
About their educational system propaganda: I happened to get into an argument with someone from jenin, one of his "weapons" to justify terror acts is a map from the Palestinian education ministry site that its theme was "The land that the Zionists stole from us", this referred to all the land of the state of Israel including the one was allocated to Israel in the partition plan...
And all of the aid that Israel gets from the US Is returning to the US from weapon deals.

And it isn't a bad thing, as long as they will use the degrees to build the PA.


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Yes, of course. We'll forget about the billion dollar aid Israel receives yearly, dwarfing any aid to Palestinians.

That's true, yet Israel's survival as a state doesn't really depend on it, as it already has a functional economy and most importantly, a functional government that can collect its own taxes.

The financial aid is limited to American weapon purchase, they aren't losing from it.

Well, American military aid to Israel in its current form started in 1979 as America's part of the bargain in the 1979 Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty. America has supported Egypt likewise. As you noted, the primary beneficionaries are domestic arms producers, so no one - not even Israel - should mind the end of US military support to Israel. Israel can develop its own weapon industry in lieu. If anything, cancelling US aid would make Israel stronger.
 
There are many sources in the Hebrew press, the international one doesn't publish such things.

You are free to quote, especially if the international press doesn't publish such things.

About their educational system propaganda: I happened to get into an argument with someone from jenin, one of his "weapons" to justify terror acts is a map from the Palestinian education ministry site that its theme was "The land that the Zionists stole from us", this referred to all the land of the state of Israel including the one was allocated to Israel in the partition plan...X

Isn't this the same principle the advocates of Great Israel use? Except, of course, that the land originally was Palestinian. Might this - with the general disregard of Palestinians until recent years - be a cause for Palestinian terrorism?

And all of the aid that Israel gets from the US Is returning to the US from weapon deals.

Resulting in zero military threat from Palestinians to the state of Israel - as Kaiserguard already implicitly stated by commenting how Israel 'does not depend' on US aid.

But let's be realistic for a minute. No progress will be made if Israel does not take responisbility and pursue an unwavering peace course - as, I note, they have been doing to their neighbouring states with the exclusion of unstable Syria. Nobody is denying terrorist acts. But none of these threaten the existence of the state of Israel. It seems to me that a prolonging of the status quo (including illegal settlements) will only prolong the conflict.

(There was a mention of an ' offer' by PM Netanyahu; given that this is the man who proclaimed Hamas is responsible fro the recent kidnapping, and consequently 80 Palestinians have been detained - including some Hamas members -, the possibility must not be excluded that the offer was made knowing the Palestinians will not accept it. I'm not saying that he did, but the possibility can't be excluded either. The point is: any negotiations will include offers and counteroffers, and offers not and offers being accepted. That's just how negotiations proceed. What matters is the continuing political will to make such negotiations succeed.)
 
About "historical Palestine": the term Palestine was set by the Romans after the suppress of the great revolt of Judea in 70AD, it was never referred to nation, the British called the Area Palestine because of it.
The name Palestine is after the Phlistim, ann ancient people lived in what is now Gaza Strip and southern coast of Israel, they were Phoenicians/ European originated people, they went extinct long before the Romans named the land...
And the idea of "Greater Israel" isn't a dream of anyone besides the most far right fanatics, and isn't being teach in the educational system, if you say something like that most people will look at you with "are you crazy?!" Expression on their faces.
And I'll bring source when I'll be at home.


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And the idea of "Greater Israel" isn't a dream of anyone besides the most far right fanatics, and isn't being teach in the educational system, if you say something like that most people will look at you with "are you crazy?!" Expression on their faces.
And I'll bring source when I'll be at home.

so are all the Israels who settle in the west bank just plain 'crazy'. you don't need sources you need a map showing that people are not settling there and then a big can of brown paint to hide all the houses in photos...
 
Greater Israel=including Jordan.
And those who live outside the main settlement area deemed as crazy by most people...
Hills youth they are called


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Greater Israel=including Jordan.
And those who live outside the main settlement area deemed as crazy by most people...
Hills youth they are called

It is a weird idea when you note that Jordan as a whole has never been part of Ancient Israel, only some swathes of land east of the Jordan bank. It is interesting to note that most of Lebanon and the Golan Heights were actually part of Ancient Israel, though the area nowaday's called Israel's southern district wasn't.
 
The financial aid is limited to American weapon purchase, they aren't losing from it.

So why only Israel gets so much of it?

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And if the state if Israel was aparthide there were no Arabian senators, and there are, we even had an Arabian minister (minister of culture if I remember correctly).


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Arabic, not Arabian.
And it's only to cover up for the reality.
Even Arab citizens of Israel are discriminated against.

Treatment of Beduins:

http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2013/country-chapters/israel-palestine?page=3

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Bedouin citizens of Israel who live in “unrecognized” villages suffered discriminatory home demolitions on the basis that their homes were built illegally. Israeli authorities refused to prepare plans for the communities and to approve construction permits, and rejected plans submitted by the communities themselves, but have retroactively legalized Jewish-owned private farms and planned new Jewish communities in the same areas. In 2012, the Israel Land Administration demolished 47 Bedouin structures as of September, , not including tents erected by villagers from al-Arakib, which Israeli authorities have demolished 39 times the Bedouin-rights group Dukium reported.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.550152

In order to demonstrate the depth of discrimination we can point out that since the foundation of the state until this day, the two groups - Arabs and Jews - have grown at similar rates (eight to tenfold), but that the state has established 700 (!) new communities for Jews (including new cities) - and not a single one for Arabs, with the exception of permanent towns for Bedouin citizens who were removed from their homes. The result is a very severe housing shortage in the Arab communities and many thousands of house demolition orders in these communities. In addition, tens of thousands of Bedouin Arab citizens in the Negev continue to live in disgraceful conditions in unrecognized communities and they lack the most basic living conditions.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/r...aels-discrimination-against-its-arab-citizens

Through racist laws and the demolition of their homes, the confiscation of their land and looting, the Arabs of Israel have seen their overwhelming majority ownership of the land pre-1948 reduced to just 2.5%, even though they make up more than 20% of Israel's population.

62% of Israeli Arabs fear "transfer" (forced migration or, as it has been called, "ethnic cleansing"), compared to just 6% who expressed that fear in 2003.

50% of young Jews surveyed believe that Arabs should not have the same rights as Jews in Israel; 56% said that Arabs must be prevented from running for the Knesset and 48% reject any notion of evacuating the [illegal] settlements and outposts in the occupied West Bank. Such extremism is more prominent among young ultra-orthodox Jews, with 82% demanding that Arab citizens should not be granted equal rights and 82% opposing the election of Arabs to the Knesset; 56% say that their fellow citizens who are Arabs should not be allowed to vote in Israel's national democratic elections.

In a report on racism in 2010 (see Maariv, 22 March, 2010), an independent anti-racism organisation claimed that the current parliament in Israel, Knesset number 18, is the most racist since the establishment of Israel in 1948, with the number of draft racist laws that aim to deprive Arab citizens of their rights has reached a new high. In 2008 there were eleven such drafts submitted to the Knesset members for consideration, in 2009 there were twelve and already in 2010 there have been twenty-one. All of these laws seek to demote the status of Arab citizens and reduce their rights, along with a constant threat to the legitimacy of their presence in Israel. Some of the issues covered are as follows:


In a speech to the Knesset earlier this year, parliamentarian Sheikh Ibrahim Sarsour touched on four religious/legal opinions issued by Jewish rabbis which have been described as "fascist, extreme and insane":

1. A call to prevent Palestinians entering their own land.

2. The destruction of Palestinians' olive trees, farms and vineyards, and the burning of Palestinian property, wherever it is located.

3. The deliberate poisoning of Palestinian water sources and sabotage of Palestinian holy places.

4. The wilful killing of Palestinians, including children, because of "the risk" they pose to the future of Israel. palissue.com

For more than sixty years there have been systematic attacks on Arab villages, towns and cities; on Muslim and Christian holy places, including the demolition of mosques and churches and the conversion of some into bars and dens of prostitution; and the destruction and vandalism of graves. All of this has been part of the effort by Israel to obliterate any evidence of the existence of the Palestinian people along with their legitimate national rights, including the right for refugees to return to their homes and the city of Jerusalem as their capital.


1. 45 Arab citizens were killed in the last decade in identifiably racist attacks

http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/03/30/israel-new-laws-marginalize-palestinian-arab-citizens

Two new Israeli laws affecting Israel's Palestinian Arab residents would promote discrimination and stifle free expression, Human Rights Watch said today. One would authorize rural, Jewish-majority communities to reject Palestinian Arab citizens of Israel and other "unsuitable" applicants for residency

The Knesset passed both laws on March 23, 2011. One officially authorizes "admissions committees" in about 300 Jewish-majority communities to reject applicants for residency who do not meet vague "social suitability" criteria. The measure anchors in law a practice that has been the basis for unjustly rejecting applications by Palestinian Arab citizens of Israel as well as members of socially marginalized groups such as Jews of non-European ancestry and single-parent families.


The second law would heavily fine any government-funded institution, including municipalities that provide health and education, for commemorating the "Nakba" - the Arabic term to describe the destruction of Palestinian villages and expulsion of their residents after Israel's declaration of independence - and for expression deemed to "negate the existence of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state."


Although Palestinian Arabs are in the majority in the Negev and Galilee, the state has never allocated lands to allow these Israeli citizens to establish small communities there. All of the towns and communities to which the new law applies were established for and have a majority of Jewish residents.

http://www.itisapartheid.org/laws.html


The most important immigration laws—including the Law of Return {1950}1 and the Citizenship Law {1952}20,- privilege Jews and Jewish immigration over non-Jews. Jews are granted the right to immigrate and become Israeli citizens even if they have no connection to Israel, while 750,000 Palestinians and their descendants expelled in 1948 have no such right. It is nearly impossible for Palestinians outside Israel to become Israeli citizens.


Family Unification {2003}5,22– Under the 2003 policy for "family unification" non-citizen spouses and children of Arab Israeli citizens are prohibited from entering Israel [and living with their spouse/parent]. This means if you are a Palestinian from outside Israel, married to an Israeli, you are barred from living with your spouse in Israel. This does not apply to any other nationality beside Arabs. This “interim” provision has been regularly extended, most recently in January, 2011.


Serving in the armed forces17 -Israeli Jews (except some orthodox Jews) have to serve in the Israeli army when they turn 18. Most Palestinians are forbidden to serve in the army. Many of the benefits of society are given to people who have served. Preferential treatment of housing, education and other services are given to army veterans.


The Citizenship Law{2008} 20 -Several attempts have been made in recent years to make it possible to strip Israeli citizenship for various reasons related to alleged “disloyalty” to the state or “breach of trust.” All of these attempts have indirectly targeted the citizenship rights of Palestinian citizens. This law allows the citizenship of an Israeli citizen to be revoked on the grounds of “breach of trust or disloyalty to the state.” “Breach of trust” is broadly defined.


Absentee Property Law {No. 20, March 1950}1,6,20 -A law to confiscate property from Palestinians inside the state of Israel. It confiscated land from 750,000 refugees ethnically cleansed from Palestine in 1947-49 and “internally displaced" Palestinians who remained in Israel. Before 1948, Palestinians owned 90% of the land in Palestine; in 1952 they owned 3%; today, they are a mostly a landless people. The law classifies the personal property of Palestinians forced to flee (or internally displaced) as "absentee property" and places it under the authority of the Custodian of Absentee Property.

Development Authority [Transfer of Property Law] {July 1950}1 ,8,10,19-Transfers confiscated Palestinian villages and private property to the Jewish National Fund –Jewish Agency [Status] Law {1952} 8,18 and Jewish National Fund Law {1953}9 -Establishes the World Zionist Organization, the Jewish Agency and the Jewish National Fund as organizations with governmental status in fulfilling Zionist objectives - the immigration and settlement of Jews in Palestine. Under a complicated interplay of Israel’s Basic Law, bestowing quasi governmental status and the transfer of “public land” to these agencies whose charters restrict the sale, transfer or lease of land to non-Jews, Israel has managed to prohibit non-Jewish [i.e., Palestinian] citizens from acquiring land or leasing land, including land taken from them under various statutes [see above].3 93% of the land in Israel has this prohibition.


National Planning and Building Law {1965}12-Creates a system of discriminatory zoning and freezes existing Arab villages while allowing expansion of Jewish settlements. It also re-classifies many Arab villages as "non-residential," thereby creating "unrecognized villages" – villages that do not receive basic municipal services such as water and electricity; all buildings are threatened with demolition orders.


Land Acquisition in the Negev [Peace Treaty with Egypt Law] {1980}13 -Seizes thousands of dunums from Bedouins in order to expand Jewish settlements. Palestinian property is confiscated to this day: these complicated property laws and local ordinances are used to continually take Palestinian Israeli land, in recent years, most notable in Jaffa.



Section 7A(1) of the Basic Law: The Knesset {1958, passed in 1985}15-Bars a list of candidates from participation in elections to the Knesset “if its aims or actions, expressly or by implication” deny “the existence of the State of Israel as the state of the Jewish people.



The Law of Political Parties {1982} -Bars the Registrar of Political Parties from registering a political party if it denies “the existence of the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic State.” In 2002 both Section 7A(1) of the Basic Law and Knesset and the Law of Political Parties were amended further to bar those whose goals or actions, directly or indirectly, “support armed struggle of an enemy state or of a terror organization, against the State of Israel.” These amendments were added expressly to curtail the political participation of Palestinian Arabs within Israel – such as Azmi Bishara – who have expressed solidarity with Palestinians resisting military occupation in the West Bank and Gaza.


No Equal Legal Protection1,20- The Israeli courts – guided by the Supreme Court – have consistently decided that discrimination between Arabs and Jews is legitimate based on the founding principles of Israel as a state for the Jewish people; “nationality” is a legitimate basis for discrimination. In the State of Israel vs. Ashgoyev (1988), an Israeli settler was convicted by the Tel Aviv District Court of shooting a Palestinian child. His sentence was a suspended jail term of six months and community service. When challenged, the judge, Uri Shtruzman, said: “It is wrong to demand in the name of equality, equal bearing and equal sentences to two offenders who have different nationalities who break the laws of the State. The sentence that deters the one and his audience does not deter the other and his community.”


The Nakba Bill{2011}16,22 - Persons marking Nakba Day as a day of mourning for the establishment of the State of Israel will be sentenced to prison. In the wake of public protests, its wording was changed to state that persons marking Nakba Day shall be denied public funds.


The Emergency Powers (Detention) Law23,24 {1979} and the Prevention of Terrorism Ordinance {1948} - have been used to detain Palestinian Arab citizens of Israel without benefit of trial and without permitting contact with lawyers. The Criminal Procedure (Powers of Enforcement, Detentions) Law {1996} has been used to target Palestinian protests and make mass arrests to stifle political decent.

etc.

And the treatment of Arab non-citizens of Israel, who de facto LIVE IN ISRAEL FOR HALF A CENTURY, is obviously even worse.
 
It is a weird idea when you note that Jordan as a whole has never been part of Ancient Israel, only some swathes of land east of the Jordan bank. It is interesting to note that most of Lebanon and the Golan Heights were actually part of Ancient Israel, though the area nowaday's called Israel's southern district wasn't.

I'm not sure where you have the idea from that most of Lebanon once belonged to Israel. I'd be interested to see your source.

About "historical Palestine": the term Palestine was set by the Romans after the suppress of the great revolt of Judea in 70AD, it was never referred to nation, the British called the Area Palestine because of it.
The name Palestine is after the Phlistim, ann ancient people lived in what is now Gaza Strip and southern coast of Israel, they were Phoenicians/ European originated people, they went extinct long before the Romans named the land...
And the idea of "Greater Israel" isn't a dream of anyone besides the most far right fanatics, and isn't being teach in the educational system, if you say something like that most people will look at you with "are you crazy?!" Expression on their faces.

I'm afraid you are missing the point: if Zionists are allowed nationalism it is crazy to think Palestinians aren't allowed nationalism. (And Greater Israel also includes the Golan, not just the Westbank.)

Philistines weren't Phoenicians by the way. As far as I know they were part of the so-called Sea Peoples invasion. Whether they went ' extinct' isn't really relevant. Palestinians were/are the inhabitants of Palestine. That would include the Jewish population, most of which converted during the Islamic era. But as I mentioned before, there remained a Jewish minority all through the Islamic era up until modern times.
 
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