The most critical issue your society is facing.

To say "confusing" is actually being generous. You are completely garbling political theory and clearly have no idea what conservatism actually is. I study political theory, I know what Im talking about, what your calling conservatism neoliberalism pure and simple and to dispute that is simply to remain ignorant of political science.



Well that's actually going to far. Now those who self-identify as "conservative" in the modern political context, in the West at any rate, are not "conservative" in that they have no interest in conserving much of anything. But to simply dismiss the term because the rest of the world does not speak the language of political science academics is to do nothing more than institutionalize a failure to communicate.



On the contrary your misunderstanding the problem. The current trends are radically individualistic, and this radical individualistic almost paradoxically leads precisely to the disregard of the powerful for the common good that you point out, since they themselves really are just as individualistic as most people in society and as such are concerned (for the most part, exceptions exist everywhere) with their own self-interest over anything greater than themselves such as say law, tradition, the society. In short they don't subordinate their personal objectives and opinions to any greater authority or principle for the governing of the nation and the right ordering of a society.

Ergo this authoritarianism is a product of radical individualistic tendencies, something that has been around for a while (a while being a couple of centuries, which isn't that long in the greater scheme of things) but has really become rampant in the last 60 or so years and torn the social fabric of many countries to shreds. Indeed I like to point to a papal encyclial libertas praestantissimum on this topic, since it pointed out in 1888 that if what the "patrons of liberalism' (as it put it back then) said was really true, that this sort of authoritarianism would result if that trend became dominant and there would be nothing so egregious and profane that the rulers could put in place that people would not become forced and bound to submit too due to the rejection of a higher authority which could restrain those who rule. This I think, and you would seem to agree has come to pass.


I don't see that that is what is happening at all. If I understand what you are arguing, it is that authoritarian secular despots used to subordinate themselves to ecclesiastic authority, and now do not, and that that is the source of the problem. But there are several reasons that that doesn't actually explain the real world. First, historically secular authorities were not under the thumb of ecclesiastic authorities, but rather the opposite was true, and that the secular authorities either co-opted the others to further their own power, partnered with the ecclesiastic authorities to serve both the secular and religious authorities at the expense of the population, or the religious authorities were subordinated to the goals of the secular despot. There weren't a lot of cases where the ecclesiastic authorities were really controlling the situation for the common good.

Second, you assume, or seem to, that the ecclesiastic authorities were, and are, actually right about anything, and that letting them be in control is actually a better situation. And really the only reason you have for believing that is that they told you to believe it.

But they are just men.

And as they are just men, they are every bit as likely to be wrong, to be self-serving, to be foolish, to be evil, as any other men. I mean, seriously, just look at how much of a moron Pope Benedict is. He is not a moral leader. He is not a moral man. And yet you seem to think that he, in some way, could lead others to a morality that he himself clearly has no grasp of.

But that's just one pope. History is full of religious leaders who are idiots and villains. Or just radically deluded. And you cannot separate what any religious doctrine is from the people who have been or are the leaders of that doctrine. And so you cannot make the claim that any one doctrine, if only we would adopt it, is the path to goodness. Because to do so would be to assign an infallibility to men that we know with a certainty does not exist.

You cannot say that "this doctrine is god's will and this doctrine is not, therefor everyone should be compelled to follow this doctrine", because ultimately every doctrine is just something some men made up because it sounded good to them at the time. And we have no way to know if the men who simply made that stuff up were fools or villains, or just entirely self-serving.

Third, compelling people to go through the motions of religious observance is not the same thing as saving souls. It is not the same thing as making people be moral or live moral lives. It only compels hypocrisy.

Fourth, those "good old days" you seem to be yearning for really were not good. They were not a more moral era than we are in now. Morally, as well as practically, they were actually a damned horrendous time.

Finally, I don't see that the trends are individualistic all that much. And even to the extent that they are, I don't see any reason to assume that it would be a bad thing. But the reality is that we are not moving in that direction any longer, and have not been for 30 years now. We were moving in that direction in fits and starts between WWII and the 1970s, and the morality of society was greatly enhanced through doing so. Much of the immorality of the previous era of traditionalism and conservatism was given a crippling beating.

However that era was brief, and that era is now long over. And all these complaints about the death of "moral society" and "moral ruin" and the destruction of "traditional values", all of this is taking place not in an era of rampant individualism, but in an era when individualism is under wholesale assault.

Things are getting worse not when we were moving towards greater individualism, but rather when we stopped moving towards greater individualism.
 
Maybe you missed the memo, but "the West" is not just the USA.


And a great deal of the rest of the West has as well. Maybe the Netherlands has escaped the trend. Canada, the UK, Germany, they certainly have not. Even much of Scandinavia is less progressive now than it was 20 years ago.
 
The decay over here started much later than the 70ies though. As far as "conservatism" has taken hold of us at all, it started post-911.

(excluding Thatcher there for a second.)
 
Well that's actually going to far. Now those who self-identify as "conservative" in the modern political context, in the West at any rate, are not "conservative" in that they have no interest in conserving much of anything. But to simply dismiss the term because the rest of the world does not speak the language of political science academics is to do nothing more than institutionalize a failure to communicate.

No, its stating reality, and defending the clarity of terms from the garbled foolishness of people who don't know anything about political theory and seek to paint say neoliberalism as conservatism when that is simply not the case. To use a metaphor you can say black is white all you want, but at the end of the day its still black. Ergo, its quite reasonable to dismiss what you call as conservatism when its objectively something completely different. Your just as wrong as when some libertarian evangelical types call liberalism, socialism or communism. Its not and them simply saying it is repeatedly does not make it so.


I don't see that that is what is happening at all. If I understand what you are arguing...

Your setting up a strawman to argue right now which I never actually said, so you a) clearly do not understand if what I am saying and b) are unable to intellectually argue on substance, in particular on my actual point which is that people today lack reference to a higher order above themselves (which has nothing to do with religious leaders or ecclesiastical dominance by the way, I simply utilised a source from a pope which correctly observed the consequences of radical individualism [which is relevant even if you disagree with religion or the Catholic Church in other areas, again its the point that matters not the source]) to restrain their pursuit of self interest, gain, and their pursuit of ideological agendas. and at that Im not going to dignify your rant on "ecclesiastic authority" with a further response since its quite frankly absurd in the extreme in addition to being completely irrelevant to what I actually said.
 
And as they are just men, they are every bit as likely to be wrong, to be self-serving, to be foolish, to be evil, as any other men. I mean, seriously, just look at how much of a moron Pope Benedict is. He is not a moral leader. He is not a moral man. And yet you seem to think that he, in some way, could lead others to a morality that he himself clearly has no grasp of.

At least Pope Benedict hasn't assassinated anyone or given himself authority to indefinitely detain members of the Catholic Church without trial.

Ecclesiastial authority is usually more moral than secular authority except in cases where the two are intertwined.
 
Maybe you missed the memo, but "the West" is not just the USA.

I have this on a T-shirt when I travel to other countries around the living room.

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So that's a matter of timing, not the whole of the trend. :p

Even then, there has *only* been a rise in anti-immigrant/foreigner/muslim feelings, not in conservatism in general. Blowing of steam against a minority is sadly a pretty common instinctive reaction, but I wouldn't say that is indicative of any larger trend in society.
 
Biggest issue facing Calgary and Alberta is probably low oil prices.

Here in my hometown the biggest issue is how to get people to stay after they've graduated. We're a mid-sized town that feels like a small town but has a bunch of large-town amenities.. It's an excellent to place to raise a family and is really popular with older conservative type people, but over the last couple decades we have had problems retaining graduates. A lot of them do stay, but a lot also move to Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, other parts of Canada, the U.S., etc. There has been a lot of progress in this area, but it remains a big issue.

I grew up in a town of 500 (down 30% over the past 20 years) people, and the economy of it and the surrounding area (county population of 21k, down 12% over the past 20 years) is basically imploded - my parents left, all the people I grew up capable of finding worthwhile employment left - I don't plan on ever going back to visit.
 
Most critical issue is probably our city's (Hong Kong) relationship with mainland China.

The Communist party is getting more and more influence in the local affairs and economy. Mainland tourist flooded all over the city and reduce the number of tourist form other place.

A lot of citizen are worry that Hong Kong will lose her freedom in speech/education/economy/legal system slowly (but surely). This is such a great impact that we even have facebook page like "We are Hong Konger, not Chinese" and the legislative council is completely divided into pro and anti China camps... There is basically no middle ground in this issue anymore, and I feel I should not even talk about ANY good things about China in front of my friends.
 
The most critical issues my society is facing are:

Who's got the fake?
Do we have enough beer for tonight (answer's always no)
and
How best does one decide who's got next round at beer pong?

#fraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaats
 
God, this is a hard one...

Banking reform? Education? They're both related of course: the overriding question is how do we restructure our economy so that bank failures don't cripple our economy again. We could reform banks so that they are less prone to failure, or when they do fail, the effects are more self-contained and don't spill in to the "real economy". Or we could invest in education so that our growth is more diversified. We clearly can't reverse the decline in manufacturing (if a 25% fall in our currency can't help, then nothing can), so a better educated, more entrepreneurial workforce would probably be a good enough hedge.

Perhaps the other question is how to get the deficit back down to sustainable levels, and then how to cut our national debt. Related to the above, of course. I suppose the real underlying question is simply: how to get the economy growing again.
 
Sorry man. I felt bad after three or so one word posts followed and the effort you put into writing a quality OP. Doubly so as I don't consider abortion a big issue, I just wanted to stir the pot.

Ok, well I think the current marginalization (and that term is being generous to the rest of us) of aboriginies is a critical issue that Australia needs to address. It's outrageous that the people who occupied this place for 40,000 years are now by far, on pretty much any metric at the bottom rung of society. For a very wealthy nation, aboriginies by and large live in fourth world conditions. I would struggle to think of any other nation on earth where it's indigenous population is treated with less respect. It actually verges on hatred. For a country that prides itself on the concept of the "fair go", this principal is exposed as myth.

Funny thing is, i believe it holds us back. I'm sure that Australia would be better off if our "founding fathers" were essentially venerated as the custodians they once were. If we could get into this mindset I think change on the ground would quickly follow.

This, extremely this.

The second one is energy and carbon. Overhauling our electricity system to decarbonise and to address peak demand is one side of it. The other is we have to deal with the fact that we cannot sell all the fossil fuels we have there's simply too much carbon in the ground for it to all be ever dug up and burned. I think I've read that our fossil fuels alone would contribute a sizable fraction to the allowable megatonnes for the 2 degree scenario, and maybe even the 4.

The third one is refugee policy. It's gone insane, essentially, and our political system is unable to fix itself on the issue.
 
The continuing willingness of a majority of people to vote complete twits into public office.
 
Most critical issue is probably our city's (Hong Kong) relationship with mainland China.

The Communist party is getting more and more influence in the local affairs and economy. Mainland tourist flooded all over the city and reduce the number of tourist form other place.

A lot of citizen are worry that Hong Kong will lose her freedom in speech/education/economy/legal system slowly (but surely). This is such a great impact that we even have facebook page like "We are Hong Konger, not Chinese" and the legislative council is completely divided into pro and anti China camps... There is basically no middle ground in this issue anymore, and I feel I should not even talk about ANY good things about China in front of my friends.

I read recently that Hong Kong's more or less wide approval of the CCP is one of the few reliable metrics on their performance, since they enjoy such little power there as to have real other political options for people to be acquainted with.
 
I think Chicago's single most pressing issue is gang violence, which helps keep nearly half the city in poverty and fear. Making gang-neighborhoods safe again will go a long way towards improving educational and economic outcomes.

For the United States, I think it's producing a most equitable and competitive education system. The current system flagrantly dismisses poor children before they get a chance, and doesn't adequately prepare many (even middle class) kids for the skills they need to succeed today. More than anything else, school reform is the civil rights issue of my generation.

Amen to that. I couldn't have said it better.
 
The United States's greatest problem is that it is an increasingly poor country that still acts as though it is rich and ruling a 1950s world. It needs to shut off the television, get off its rear, and start training for fight and work, but instead it chooses to complain that life isn't as easy as it used to be and look for a quick solution to restore that ease.
 
The United States's greatest problem is that it is an increasingly poor country that still acts as though it is rich and ruling a 1950s world. It needs to shut off the television, get off its rear, and start training for fight and work, but instead it chooses to complain that life isn't as easy as it used to be and look for a quick solution to restore that ease.

I find it very hard to look at the current situation in the US and draw the same conclusion that you have.

You can look at different metrics like median income and unemployment and draw from that stark conclusions.

But I don't think this provides an accurate picture in all honesty. We are currently in a peculiar mess that we have never experienced before. You can draw parallels with past events and crisese, but those parallels only extend so far before they fall short.

While I cannot honestly tell you that we will come out of this crisis for the better - we are in the midst of the transition out of it. It is impossible to really know what trajectory we are heading on because we haven't set that trajectory yet.

I think it's a bit unfair to say that we collectively need to get off the couch and go to work. Honestly, that is what we have been doing. Even when it comes to the disfunction and gridlock in our political system, this is a symptom of the deeper problems and not the cause. We have gridlock and discord because people in our country and government have very different, but equally genuine, ideas about how to fix our problems.

Eventually, a path out will be found. Whether or not it helps us do better in the long term is indeterminant at this point.
 
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