The Nazis were considered "left wing" by the people of that time

[civman110]

Exactly.
If you're a right-winger compared to your competition, you're a right-winger inside your political system. You mentioned socialized healthcare as a sign of the Nazi's leftyness. Universal, compulsory health insurance was introduced by Bismarck to undermine the socialists and prevent unrest. By the time the Nazis came around, it had been the norm in Germany for more than a generation. It wasn't a left-wing policy, it was just something a country in the 20th (or late 19th) century has, like traffic lights or paved roads or the post office.

You're trying to pretend that there is no such thing as a political spectrum and that is it entirely arbitrary and that is utterly foolish.

 

[Gucumatz]

I think we have a problem here is no one takes your premise seriously civman, right wingers across the international spectrum acknowledge the Nazis as right wing, the vast majority of historians agree with the classification, the vast majority of Nazis themselves thought in the same way, the leadership of the Nazi party reflects so, etc. The few people who deny it, typically are found in denialist camps.

Its similar to questions of the CUP in Turkey - people who deny the obvious really aren't taken seriously and its hard to have a conversation with people trying to argue some pseudo-rightwing political correctness narrative like you are civman at the moment

 

[Agent327]

You're trying to pretend that there is no such thing as a political spectrum and that is it entirely arbitrary and that is utterly foolish.

That's not even part of the post. Try reading before replying.

I disagree. The North Koreans we met are smart as whips and have a friendly, refreshing demeanor.

So sort of like 99.9 % of Cubans you met, except for the smart part. I'm beginning to suspect you are a quite poor judge of people.

 

[civman110]

That's not even part of the post. Try reading before replying.

That is what he's saying. If left and right is arbitrary then there is no political spectrum. Either you failed to read his post, of your reasoning skills are poor.

 

[Agent327]

Let's try that again, shall we, Mr Fast Poster. You started with

Context is important

Exactly.
If you're a right-winger compared to your competition, you're a right-winger inside your political system. You mentioned socialized healthcare as a sign of the Nazi's leftyness. Universal, compulsory health insurance was introduced by Bismarck to undermine the socialists and prevent unrest. By the time the Nazis came around, it had been the norm in Germany for more than a generation. It wasn't a left-wing policy, it was just something a country in the 20th (or late 19th) century has, like traffic lights or paved roads or the post office.

Now were do you base your 'conclusions' on exactly? As you are not responding to anything said here.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Contextual =/= arbitrary.
Is that so difficult to grasp ?

 

[ReindeerThistle]

So sort of like 99.9 % of Cubans you met, except for the smart part. I'm beginning to suspect you are a quite poor judge of people.

Thanks for making this about me. Since I suspect you haven't met either, you have nothing to say.

 

[Agent327]

You're welcome. You are aware that the number of people you've met personally has no bearing whatsoever on what people from such countries as you've met people from would be characteristic of? Seeing as they're statistically insignificant in amount to the total numbers of such people. So, statistically speaking, you might just as well not have met them at all.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

Stereotyping is an ugly trend, and the road to racism.

 

[Agent327]

That would be my point. So why mention such few people from North Korea (and Cuba) as you've met?

 

[ReindeerThistle]

Basing a position on knowledge is NOT stereotyping. I have non-negatable personal experiences. You have opinion and imnuendo.

Literacy Rankings

Read and Weep:

North Korea #1 (eight-way tie)
Cuba #9
USA #28.

 

[Cutlass]

Capitalism isn't a "right wing" value now and the sky purple.

If you could be bothered to give a damn about how the people in question at the time actually saw things, it would change your views entirely. Your failure to communicate with people stems from the fact that you are trying to impose your own radical extremist views on what other people in other times and places thought. That and the fact that you want to be Nazi, but have to distance yourself from the negative connotations that the other Nazis left behind.

 

[Birdjaguar]

If you could be bothered to give a damn about how the people in question at the time actually saw things, it would change your views entirely. Your failure to communicate with people stems from the fact that you are trying to impose your own radical extremist views on what other people in other times and places thought. That and the fact that you want to be Nazi, but have to distance yourself from the negative connotations that the other Nazis left behind.

You are arguing with a post.

 

[Arwon]

Basing a position on knowledge is NOT stereotyping. I have non-negatable personal experiences. You have opinion and imnuendo.

Literacy Rankings

Read and Weep:

North Korea #1 (eight-way tie)
Cuba #9
USA #28.

In fairness, Hangul is very elegant and intuitive for Korean compared to the use of Latin script to write English...

 

[civman110]

You are arguing with a post.

You're like a bull running around in the ring, chasing a red cape. The issue isn't the red cape - it's the matador behind the cape that's going to stick a sword through your heart.

Don't be a stupid bull.

 

[Birdjaguar]

If your metaphor were accurate, then to my bull, you would be the cape, a distraction, a flapping rag that hides the lurking death to what is decent that is conservatism in America today.

But that is your metaphor,not mine. BTW, didn't you use that same post elsewhere tonight?

 

[civman110]

I see your true colours are starting to show. I honestly thought you were a better person.

And in my previous post I wasn't inferring that you are stupid. If that was what I believed I wouldn't of bothered to make the post to begin with.


Do you think the bull finds enjoyment running after the cape until he finds out what's behind it?

 

[El_Machinae]

Shouldn't it mean something when nice people are chastising you?

 

[civman110]

Same to you.

 

[El_Machinae]

Sure. That makes sense.

I mean ... doesn't it?