The Official Perfection KOs Creationism Thread Part Two: The Empiricists Strike Back!

[The Last Conformist]

Did I just get crossposted with twice? And did people repeat my links both times?

Yes, I xposted with you, and we provided the same link to the list of creationist claims. Great minds think alike, I suppose.

 

[diablodelmar]

Strange isn't it, we only started looking for them and recognizing them once people started thinking we'd evolved.
I mean, next you'll be saying that it's strange we never found any evidence of atoms until very recently, and so the Four Elements theory should be taught in chemistry.

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How come we never accidently found any like we did with Dinosaurs? If you wish to use the rather pathetic arguement regarding the size difference between Dinosaurs and humans (or the imaginary neanderthals) may I remind you that the first part of a dinosaur ever found was very small pieces of what was an Iguanodon's mouth.

 

[ironduck]

HRNG!

How can you follow school education when you're a creationist? How does your brain filter out all the information you're not allowed to learn?

I just don't get it.

 

[diablodelmar]

@Erik Mesoy

tsk tsk my friend. I give you evidence, you give me links or you (even more patheticly) flatly deny what has been proved simply because it has been pushed under the carpet by leading scientists. The fact that you throw links at me is a good example of why most evolutionists believe what they believe simply because everybody else says its true. Same goes for you Last con.

 

[diablodelmar]

HRNG!

How can you follow school education when you're a creationist? How does your brain filter out all the information you're not allowed to learn?

I just don't get it.

You see, I do not believe something simply because that is what everybody else believes.

I frankly do not give three turds whether you don't get it or not. What I hate about evolution is that because everybody accepts it as being true, lies are tolerated and even believed. If someone says we all evolved from whatever it MUST be true.

If we evolved from apes all those Billions and Giziquafizikillions of years ago - then why are apes still around? Why arent half fish, half amphibian little thingies wandering around? It is rather convenient, don't you think, that every single species that anything has evolved from becom extinct except apes?

 

[The Last Conformist]

How come we never accidently found any like we did with Dinosaurs?

The original Neandertal find was accidental.

 

[diablodelmar]

The original Neandertal find was accidental.

Yeah I'm sure.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

How come we never accidently found any like we did with Dinosaurs? If you wish to use the rather pathetic arguement regarding the size difference between Dinosaurs and humans (or the imaginary neanderthals) may I remind you that the first part of a dinosaur ever found was very small pieces of what was an Iguanodon's mouth.

SOURCE PLEASE. This site says that dinosaur bones have been known for hundreds of years. Possibly, the Chinese were finding dinosaur bones 2300 years ago. Read this link as well: http://dml.cmnh.org/2003Dec/msg00137.html

tsk tsk my friend. I give you evidence, you give me links

No.
You spout opinions, I give you sources.

The fact that you throw links at me is a good example of why most evolutionists believe what they believe simply because everybody else says its true.

So your argument is "The minority is right"?

If we evolved from apes all those Billions and Giziquafizikillions of years ago - then why are apes still around?

If Americans came over from Europe all those Hundreds of years ago - then why are Europeans still around????

The fact that you throw links at me is a good example of-

-of the fact that I do a minimal amount of research, something you obviously don't.

 

[diablodelmar]

Have you ever looked at a magnified snowflake? It looks incredibly complex - and yet so elegant. Using your argument that (it's complex, it must have a creator), we must assume that somebody sits in the sky and creates snowflakes, when it snows. The truth is that the laws of the universe - physical laws, dictate the formation of snowflakes.. much like they dictate the evolution of living things. Just because something is complex does not imply a designer.

Ok - prove that theory by bringing me a copy of Civ4 that evolved into place naturally.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

Yeah, and why don't you prove creationism by bringing me an animal with God's signature saying "I designed this" on?

 

[diablodelmar]

So your argument is "The minority is right"?

Absolutly not. I am merely trying to show that the average person will merely believe something because somebody who looks very clever and has written 567 books says if it right it is automatically "right" to every one who wants to appear clever too. Adolf Hitler even said in Mein Kampf "If you repeat a lie over and over people will start to believe it. The bigger the lie, the more likely people are to believe it." Now somebody tell me his regime wasn't corrupt.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

You see, I do not believe something simply because that is what everybody else believes.

Why do you believe in gravity? It can't possibly work. I can prove this.

 

[diablodelmar]

Yeah, and why don't you prove creationism by bringing me an animal with God's signature saying "I designed this" on?

Read the Bible. More specifically Genesis. Chapter 1 would be a good place for you to start.

 

[diablodelmar]

Why do you believe in gravity? It can't possibly work. I can prove this.

Gravity has been proved mate

 

[Erik Mesoy]

Absolutly not. I am merely trying to show that the average person will merely believe something because somebody who looks very clever and has written 567 books says if it right it is automatically "right" to every one who wants to appear clever too. Adolf Hitler even said in Mein Kampf "If you repeat a lie over and over people will start to believe it. The bigger the lie, the more likely people are to believe it." Now somebody tell me his regime wasn't corrupt.

The problem is, we're of the opinion that creationism is the lie, and so far all the evidence is on our side, because when we provide evidence, you claim we're just throwing links.

 

[Samson]

Ok - prove that theory by bringing me a copy of Civ4 that evolved into place naturally.

Well, I did have an idea to do that. I am guessing that lots of people will make new versions of the AI that are "better" now the SDK is out. I would like to set it up so they can compete against either other (analogues to competing for scarce reasorces). Then take the ones that do better and "breed" them, ie. take the constituent parts and mix them together to make new AI's (some sort of genetic algorithm). Them get these to compete against each other.

If I come up with one that beats the original, will you belive us then?

 

[Erik Mesoy]

Gravity has been proved mate

Evolution has been proved mate

Here's the disproof for gravity: What speed does it go at? Huh? Huh? It's illegal for it to go faster than light, but if it goes slower than light, God has to be holding the Earth up otherwise it would go out of orbit.

Read the Bible. More specifically Genesis. Chapter 1 would be a good place for you to start.

I have read the Bible. I know this will come as a shock to you, but I'm a Christian.

 

[El_Machinae]

People, remember that he's a teenager. Complex biology will just be ignored, complex links will be ignored, etc. The trick is just to answer the questions quickly and easily.

For example - we didn't evolve from apes. Apes and humans evolved from a single species. We evolved differently from apes. Because natural selection doesn't have a 'point', apes aren't evolving 'into' anything.

Erik's example is a good one. If everyone came from Africa (the original species) then people in America does NOT contridict that there are people in Europe.

 

[diablodelmar]

Evolution has been proved mate

Here's the disproof for gravity: What speed does it go at? Huh? Huh? It's illegal for it to go faster than light, but if it goes slower than light, God has to be holding the Earth up otherwise it would go out of orbit.

Evolution is Bull**** mate (terribly sorry to have to break it to you)

I have read the Bible. I know this will come as a shock to you, but I'm a Christian.

Obviuosly not since you are ignoring what God did and said. I don't expect your name is in The Lamb's Book of Life at the moment.

 

[El_Machinae]

Ok - prove that theory by bringing me a copy of Civ4 that evolved into place naturally.

I'll mention it again - evolution doesn't have a 'goal' in mind. It's not 'trying' to make people. This is why creatures aren't evolving into people at different rates - we're not the 'end goal'.

So, to say that Civ4 is the 'point' is not realising what we're talking about. All that evolution states is that reproducing creatures will evolve (over time) to get better at reproducing and using new environments.