The questions-not-worth-their-own-thread question thread X

[emzie]

If I am driving in a steady rain, if I increase my speed do I increase the amount of rain hitting my windshield?

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Yeah. Also, I think they can get your private information that way too.

For Aimee, only what she provides YouTube. Her ISP is not legally allowed to give any information out, even for potential copyright infringement.

Aha, that makes sense I always wondered where they got the private information from.

Well, the funny thing is that I'm legally Brianna. But my middle name (well, I have two middle names - don't ask) is Aimee, and I use Aimee on online forms along with a similiar-but-fake last name. I'm not sure if they can track me down in public records that way even if they were allowed.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

What is the guy saying in German around 1:59?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgFj8Dnvtfw

 

[Tani Coyote]

Question: Is legal curfew actually enforced?

Maybe, and I'm, just guessing here, but most of us really don't want to see well hung animals.

Oh, I see! I'm so sorry for infringing upon your right to not see what you don't li-

...Oh wait. CFC isn't a democracy. I'm afraid that, not being admins, what you, I, and everyone else "want to see" isn't relevant. What matters is what the administrators wish to see.

Don't like it? Get your own site and let the market of posters decide whether a democratically-run forum or a top-down forum is better.

Also. The whole, "Don't like; don't look" rule applies. Stop trying to be a crusader for what you think is morally upstanding and just change the URL. It isn't that difficult.

But Tani does. And I wouldn't really care, along with probably a lot of people.

Indeed. It's harmless art, and isn't even truly pornographic(i.e inappropriate nudity and such) in nature.

I myself would just like a ruling by the admins on the issue. And until they give one, I try my best to put out arguments in support of my position.

I would also like to throw out that furry characters often have more decency than humans. How is that? Well, you see, if you rip off a human's clothes, you'll see inappropriate imagery. If you rip off a furry's... chances are their fur acts as a second layer of clothing, covering everything inappropriate. I hereby claim that furries have better standards of moral decency by merit of wearing two protective layers rather than one!

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

Can anyone tell me anything wrong with these statements?

And just as there is a best size for every animal, so the same is true for every human institution. In the Greek type of democracy all the citizens could listen to a series of orators and vote directly on questions of legislation. Hence their philosophers held that a small city was the largest possible democratic state. The English invention of representative government made a democratic nation possible, and the possibility was first realized in the United States, and later elsewhere. With the development of broadcasting it has once more become possible for every citizen to listen to the political views of representative orators, and the future may perhaps see the return of the national state to the Greek form of democracy. Even the referendum has been made possible only by the institution of daily newspapers.

To the biologist the problem of socialism appears largely as a problem of size. The extreme socialists desire to run every nation as a single business concern. I do not suppose that Henry Ford would find much difficulty in running Andorra or Luxembourg on a socialistic basis. He has already more men on his pay-roll than their population. It is conceivable that a syndicate of Fords, if we could find them, would make Belgium Ltd or Denmark Inc. pay their way. But while nationalization of certain industries is an obvious possibility in the largest of states, I find it no easier to picture a completely socialized British Empire or United States than an elephant turning somersaults or a hippopotamus jumping a hedge.

From an essay on biological size, written by J.B.S. Haldane in 1928.

 

[Cutlass]

For the first, the problem is the scope and complexity of the issues means that for any proposed policy up for a vote, the only people who really take the time and effort to know the merits of the proposal are those who have a direct interest in it. So all the other people who are potentially voting, are not doing so on a thorough understanding, but rather on how well each side soundbites and advertises their side, and gets out the vote. So you have a tyranny of a minority of the truly interested.

For the second, dis-economies of scale exist in the real world as well as economies of scale do. You get to a certain point, and the managers simply do not have enough timely and accurate information to make optimal choices.

 

[PlutonianEmpire]

Could a planet that is precisely two Earth masses support advanced multi-cellular life, and eventually an Information Age civilization? Or is it too big?

 

[Yared]

Wouldn't that matter on how big the sun is and their relation to each other?

 

[Mad Man]

Question: Is legal curfew actually enforced?

Legal curfews only exist to bully minorities and young people, nothing more nothing less. I once walk past a cop car like three times around three forty am (pay no mind what the hell I was doing out of my house at 3:40am) and the officer payed no mind to me.

 

[nonconformist]

Oh, I see! I'm so sorry for infringing upon your right to not see what you don't li-

...Oh wait. CFC isn't a democracy. I'm afraid that, not being admins, what you, I, and everyone else "want to see" isn't relevant. What matters is what the administrators wish to see.

Don't like it? Get your own site and let the market of posters decide whether a democratically-run forum or a top-down forum is better.

Also. The whole, "Don't like; don't look" rule applies. Stop trying to be a crusader for what you think is morally upstanding and just change the URL. It isn't that difficult.

I'm sure most of this site wants to see cartoon animal erotica, especially seeing the high percentage of those people here. I know that I, for one, want to see pictures of octupuses gangbaning ridiculously endowed amoebas while being watched by orcas jacking off.

Seriously, stop making your fetish out to be some sort of minority Rosa Parks status. We're not making you sit at the back of the bus, we're just saying get the hell off public transport.

 

[BCLG100]

Oh, I see! I'm so sorry for infringing upon your right to not see what you don't li-

...Oh wait. CFC isn't a democracy. I'm afraid that, not being admins, what you, I, and everyone else "want to see" isn't relevant. What matters is what the administrators wish to see.

Well that's just ridiculous, obviously what the vast majority of posters do/do not want to see plays a big part in what the administrators do. It is highly relevant what a person wants to see, particularly as the forums already have an existing audience they are aiming at. The admins aren't going to introduce something that will make people less inclined to visit the site. That is just a general point about what goes on this site.

With reference to your original point, should anyone with a differing view to post threads about different sexual fetishes? On the internet, which is already endowed with a wide variety of differing tastes and extremes, just where would this end?

I would also echo what you say, if you don't like what you see change the URL. If you want to see that stuff then by all means do so, go and find it. I don't really frequent the Babe thread and has already been made clear in a thread recently i didn't realise the dude thread wasn't called the dude thread, if i wanted that sort of thing I'd look elsewhere- either in real life or on different sites on the internet.

 

[Tani Coyote]

Question 1: What is the degree of hostility that needs to be expressed in posting before it counts as trolling/flaming? Or just being plain out unacceptable?

Question 2: What would be a good topic title for a spin-off topic on this, so I can stop spamming this thread and continue the "discussion" elsewhere?

Seriously, stop making your fetish out to be some sort of minority Rosa Parks status.

Rather than repeat the constantly-ignored point about furryness(which isn't even being discussed here) not being a sexual fetish in all cases, I'll just say that I do not aim to make myself out like some persecuted minority. I aim to inform people about common misconceptions. Screw anybody who's intolerant. I'm more focused on people who are curious or on the fence about such matters.

It's a game of chess, you see. Whoever controls the center - the neutrals - wins. And the other side... well umm... they get steamrolled, for lack of a better term.

We're not making you sit at the back of the bus, we're just saying get the hell off public transport.

Yeah. Sorry. You can't make me do jack. Sorry, again, for being so blunt.

I never caved in to peer pressure, never caved in to bullying, and never caved in to all the fundie jackasses critiquing my homosexuality, and so what a bunch of people on an internet forum think couldn't matter in the least to me.

Don't like; don't look. That's the end of it. Well, besides what the administrators think about where it should, of course. Their rules overrule what both you and I think.

Well that's just ridiculous, obviously what the vast majority of posters do/do not want to see plays a big part in what the administrators do.

...Not really.

Many posters like to borderline-troll, and probably would go even farther if not for the rules of the administration.

Foul language as well.

Given the babes thread, it's likely that if the mods stopped enforcing those rules, it'd quickly become adult-oriented in nature.

There are many things we all want to engage in to some degree - trolling, porn, flaming, etc. - and yet the admins remain steadfast. Their vision carries all the weight around here. And so, just like they did with the Ask a Furry thread, their decision is final, regardless of whether they side with the majority or minority.

If I had to think of a political example, I'd say that CFC is like the U.S. Supreme Court, but with 3 Justices, and no other branches of government. As a result... tough cookies if you and I don't get what we want; the most we can do is lobby.

It is highly relevant what a person wants to see, particularly as the forums already have an existing audience they are aiming at. The admins aren't going to introduce something that will make people less inclined to visit the site. That is just a general point about what goes on this site.

I highly doubt making inappropriate content more defined and lowering the limit just a tad would drive most people away. This is a Civilization site, first and foremost, and that is what brings (most of) us here. If you see a "Furry" thread or a post you did not like, scrolling away is fairly easy.

On the internet, which is already endowed with a wide variety of differing tastes and extremes, just where would this end?

Wherever the admins decide it shall. That's why I humbly request they draw the line and make things easy for everyone.

I would also echo what you say, if you don't like what you see change the URL. If you want to see that stuff then by all means do so, go and find it.

That is precisely what I do.

However, I still lobby for the line between appropriate and inappropriate content to be drawn here, so that I know what is and isn't acceptable.

The fact that this'd mean I'd possibly be able to post more of my art isn't relevant; it's just a general issue where I have a stake in the outcome. And so, I naturally advance the side favorable to me - the one where a line is more clearly drawn. And in addition, I also present the more personal side by saying why I think x doesn't qualify as inappropriate, and comparing it to cases y and z where something was - in my opinion, anyway - far more inappropriate.

 

[Brighteye]

Can anyone tell me anything wrong with these statements?


From an essay on biological size, written by J.B.S. Haldane in 1928.

Nothing. Haldane was right about everything, all the time. Just look up oxygen secretion.

 

[Cutlass]

Could a planet that is precisely two Earth masses support advanced multi-cellular life, and eventually an Information Age civilization? Or is it too big?

Insuffiecent information to answer that question. We don't know all the forms that life can take. We're still being surprised by some of the life that evolves on Earth.

 

[TheAlamo]

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Sorry but that's nonsense. In any system of governance, from international law right down to forum rules, part of what goes into defining what is and is not acceptable is what the demographic wants or perceives. This is one of the reasons your furry art is probably considered less acceptable by the powers that be than what you might consider equivalent "mainstream" or "normal" content. Most people on this forum find furry art, erotic or not, is a hell of a lot weirder and less appropriate than normal stuff. When you complain about your furry art being considered inappropriate while comparable normal material is not, you do come across as whining and pretending you're some kind of oppressed minority, no matter how much you might insist you're not.

A community is governed at least in part by the tastes and desires of its community. If you don't like that, I'm afraid there's not much you can do about it. I'm sure there are plenty of other forums where your brand of content is considered perfectly appropriate, and I'd bet dollars to donuts there are probably some furry forums where you'd get carded for posting normal erotic images (the kind that you find in our babe thread, not outright pornography).

 

[Tani Coyote]

In any system of governance, from international law right down to forum rules, part of what goes into defining what is and is not acceptable is what the demographic wants or perceives.

Being authoritarian rather than totalitarian, yes.

This is one of the reasons your furry art is probably considered less acceptable by the powers that be than what you might consider equivalent "mainstream" or "normal" content.

So if I posted a human with a swollen crotchbulge, that'd be fine?

When you complain about your furry art being considered inappropriate while comparable normal material is not, you do come across as whining and pretending you're some kind of oppressed minority, no matter how much you might insist you're not.

Well it's not so much the furry part. It's the fact a simple crotch-swelling, furry or not, is inappropriate, while cleavage and almost-naked people are not. This is especially more ridiculous if you get into the fact the crotch-swelling is often clothed and you can't even make much out, and nowhere near as exposed as some of the other stuff that gets put up here.

I'd bet dollars to donuts there are probably some furry forums where you'd get carded for posting normal erotic images (the kind that you find in our babe thread, not outright pornography).

There was the whole Frozen Furs vs. Burned Furs War(which everyone - or at least the usual suspects - conveniently ignores ), so you are correct. Some areas go so far as to ban yiffy content. The idea that all furries are perverts is completely false. Just as CFC strikes down many of humanity's dark urges, several furry sites strike down furries' as well.

But this isn't about furs, again. I'm arguing as a gay male who actively adds sexual tones to his work, but keeps them PG-13; they all are acceptable by deviantArt standards. The fact my targets just so happen to be furries is irrelevant. No need for double standards, the subject matter is either appropriate or it is not, regardless of whether furries or humans are involved.

 

[Yared]

It becomes flaming/trolling when you insult the person and not the religion/ideology/argument.

I remember Fifty saying something along the lines of: "you're using complicated words to make your post seem of a higher intellectual level than what it really has." If he had insulted the intelligence of the poster and not the "intellectual level" of the post, it would've counted as flaming/trolling.

 

[Flying Pig]

Many posters like to borderline-troll, and probably would go even farther if not for the rules of the administration.

'The Posters' do not like trolling and flaming. See This Fellow's work on political theory

 

[Yared]

He said "Many" not "The".

 

[Flying Pig]

I know. That's why I directed him where I did.