The stop of terrorizem, not possible with out muslims?

[jojorah]

Some people when they see this thread title will go well no duh, over will say WTH muslims are the problem. Most of you can assume by my screen name that im a muslim. So dont get enraged becuase of me being a evil "Moozlim". It is not unknown that saddam hussein was put in power by the us, just look what our goverment is responcible for. It is also not unknown that many dictaters we have supported in the middle east, the time we are living in today may be the beggining (whether you like it or not) of muslims uniting in the middle east. Terrorizem is natrul, people point at muslims now, but what about christans and jewish terrorists. If seen from the perspective of a palistinian muslim and many christians and jews as well what the creation of the state of isreal where the whole country through propaganda and goverment bais seperated the united jews and muslims into a fued. Dont get me wrong the jews deserve land for the wrongs they suffered through history, but when some so called "jews" harm other people then it worsens the jews hardship.Look at this powerfull link of the orthadox jews protesting if you have the time.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oeB3QhX2RI. What the non muslim countrys and muslims (as most already do) need to do is pacifly protest against some brutality the isreali goverment has done. Aswell as condenming attacks by muslim terrorists. What non muslims need to do is keep a open mind and heart, when they come across something about islam in the news (good or bad) they need to see the muslim explanation for the said hadith/ verse.

Alu alam

 

[Joecoolyo]

Um, ok, thanks.

Most of us know (hopefully) that every group of people out there has their extremists, whether it be Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, etc.

So I'm not really sure what to discuss here...

 

[GamezRule]

Please stay on these boards. Also, can you split up the OP so it isn't a wall of text?

I agree with you.

 

[bombshoo]

I think the idea that peaceful protesting would be a better alternative is pretty widespread, but how do we make this more acceptable? Why isn't it being accepted as an alternative is the real question.

I think an issue is, even if there is peaceful protests concerning the issues facing most Muslims, it really only takes a few violent ones on both sides to ruin it for everyone. During the Civil Rights Movement, the use violence by a few really was an issue the whole time and many times threatened the whole movement. I think an advantage that some other peaceful movements have had in history has been they were more unified than any peaceful Muslim movement is at the moment.

As far as the U.S. goes, we are really in need of some sort of strong Muslim organization or leader that is able to condemn terrorist attacks and also speak up for the well being of their community. I am aware they are there, they just don't get as much press they deserve. Unfortunately, this is being mistaken by many as basically tacit approval of terrorism by all Muslims in the U.S.

Even more unfortunately, with the way things are now, if hoards of Muslims formed a group to protest discrimination, they would be lucky to get an ounce of good press, no matter how good their intentions were. There would almost certainly be some idiot with some controversial sign or statement that would be seen as a representation of the whole movement by some with anti-Islamic beliefs.

 

[Quackers]

Um, ok, thanks.

Most of us know (hopefully) that every group of people out there has their extremists, whether it be Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, etc.

So I'm not really sure what to discuss here...

Are there more Muslim extremists then Hindu ones?

 

[Joecoolyo]

Are there more Muslim extremists then Hindu ones?

Doubt it.

 

[Tee Kay]

So dont get enraged becuase of me being a evil "Moozlim".

I think you'll be okay here in CFC-OT...

 

[Formaldehyde]

There are even a few other "evil Mooslims" to keep you company, although they rarely post in the inevitable "Islam is inherently evil" threads.

But I disagree with the notion that US Muslims need a leader to frequently speak out against Muslim extremism and terrorism, at least until the Christians and the Jews do likewise. Muslims are no more giving tacit approval to the atrocities committed by a handful of fanatics, any more than Jews are to the atrocities being committed by Israeli extremists, or Christians are to evangelical US generals who claim they are fighting a holy war against Islam.

 

[NovaKart]

Personally I wish that more Muslims wouldn't obsess over Israel and focus more on the problems in their own countries.

Also, I really don't see Muslims uniting in the Middle East. Well I guess it depends on what you mean by uniting, but there are too many political considerations.

 

[jojorah]

^^ What you dont understand is like the prophet mohhomad (pbuh) said that the ummah is like a body and when one muslim is hurt in the world the whole world gos to the aid. Muslems obssess over isreal becuase there fellow muslims, nay there brothers are suffering

 

[NovaKart]

Actually I'm kind of mistaken because now with the popular revolutions going on in many Muslim countries it means that they are focusing on their own problems and not just obsessing over Israel anymore.

Muslims can complain about Israel but it's like this constant obsession. The Jews are behind every conspiracy, it seems like such a narrow focus. Israel isn't the only human rights issue effecting Muslims.

Also, you're looking at this as if every Muslim is a devout and practicing Muslim. Many are not. Most Muslims I know in Turkey rarely ever pray and don't fast during Ramadan.

Anyway I'm curious about where you're from because your writing seems to fit a native speaker but with a few spelling issues.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I seriously doubt many Muslims "obsess" over Israel, certainly no more so than Zionists who "obsess" over Islam. Got any evidence to support this allegation?

 

[Tee Kay]

I seriously doubt many Muslims "obsess" over Israel, certainly no more so than Zionists who "obsess" over Islam. Got any evidence to support this wacky allegation?

You go first.

 

[Holycannoli]

^^ What you dont understand is like the prophet mohhomad (pbuh) said that the ummah is like a body and when one muslim is hurt in the world the whole world gos to the aid. Muslems obssess over isreal becuase there fellow muslims, nay there brothers are suffering

You're pointing out the problem, which is that "aid" is not commiting acts of terrorism and protesting violently, not to mention the fact that the muslim world is indeed obsessed with Israel.

What they need to do is integrate into their countries and communities and become one of them first, muslim second (like a US muslim should be american first, muslim second). Right now around the world it seems to be the opposite where they want to be muslim first and culturally separate from the countries and communities they live in, as if there's a world community of muslims all living in foreign lands even if they were born in those lands (if those lands aren't muslim, like the US or Europe)

There's always exceptions but this seems like the general trend.

EDIT:

Actually I'm kind of mistaken because now with the popular revolutions going on in many Muslim countries it means that they are focusing on their own problems and not just obsessing over Israel anymore.

Muslims can complain about Israel but it's like this constant obsession. The Jews are behind every conspiracy, it seems like such a narrow focus. Israel isn't the only human rights issue effecting Muslims.

This is true too. The young people do seem to be rising up against this, but is it really a revolution against that way of thinking, or is it just a revolution against governments? How much do the young in muslim countries obsess over Israel, to a point it guides their decisions?

 

[Hygro]

^^ What you dont understand is like the prophet mohhomad (pbuh) said that the ummah is like a body and when one muslim is hurt in the world the whole world gos to the aid. Muslems obssess over isreal becuase there fellow muslims, nay there brothers are suffering

Ok and the Wahabbi sect in Saudi Arabia is oppressing Muslim women, perhaps Muslims should "obsess" over Wahabbi corruption because fellow muslims, nay their sisters, are suffering.

Or dictatorship in Syria* keeps down the rights of Muslims in Syria, hurting Muslims there. Perhaps Muslims the world over should obsess over such tyranny because their fellow Muslims, nay their brothers and sisters, are suffering.

There is Muslim on Muslim terrorism in Iraq, killing and hurting the Muslims there. Perhaps Muslims the world over should obsess over such cruel and unnecessary violence because their fellow Muslims, nay their brothers and sisters, are suffering.

There is extreme poverty and ignorance in Sudan, causing allllll kinds of problems for Muslims there. Perhaps Muslims the world over should obsess over such injustices that cause ills that harm their fellow Muslims, nay their brothers and sisters.

This can go on and on and on. The point is, with a million and one problems, don't you think it's a little ridiculous to focus so much energy on one that isn't even the worst?

*Replace Syria with most Middle East regimes and it holds true. Syria's not even the worst, at all.

 

[Formaldehyde]

What they need to do is integrate into their countries and communities and become one of them first, muslim second (like a US muslim should be american first, muslim second).

Many Christians and other groups which are religious fail to do this. Why do you demand it of Muslims?

There is Muslim on Muslim terrorism in Iraq, killing and hurting the Muslims there. Perhaps Muslims the world over should obsess over such cruel and unnecessary violence because their fellow Muslims, nay their brothers and sisters, are suffering.

What makes you think the vast majority of them don't care? And why should they "obsess" over it? Do you?

 

[bestrfcplayer]

Personally I wish that more Muslims wouldn't obsess over Israel and focus more on the problems in their own countries.

This.

 

[NovaKart]

Big question, first of all, many Muslim countries restrict entry to anyone who has ever been to Israel, the first thing they ask you at the border is - have you been to occupied Palestine? and they check your passport for an Israeli stamp.

Watch Al Jazeera some time and see how often Israel comes up.

How often have you heard rumors of Jewish conspiracies from Muslims? 9/11, the shark attacks in Egypt, the Coca Cola logo says لا محمد لا مكة no Muhammad no Makkah, Pepsi stands for Pay every penny to save Israel. I've heard all these conspiracies from Muslims. Atrocities in Sudan, the Taliban or Saddam Hussein before 2001, not nearly as much criticism there.

I'm talking about my own experiences so I won't say they speak for everyone. I'm not saying that Muslims have to answer for what other Muslims do but if they're going to constantly condemn Israel, why not devote as much attention to other human rights issues as well? Idi Amin was allowed to retire in Saudi Arabia after all that he did. Why this obsession about Israel and Jews? Fortunately it's not nearly as bad in Turkey.

At least this is changing and now many Muslims are condemning Qaddafi.

 

[Hygro]

What makes you think the vast majority of them don't care? And why should they "obsess" over it? Do you?

Rhetorical points fly like a g6 *whoosh*

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Pepsi-cola was named that in 1903 though... EDIT: And it has Pepsin in it.