Brevity and the belief they’re writing for humans not compilers
There are more of us than there are of them
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Manfred Belheim
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Credibility Mr. Squirrel.Which I have to assign to your memory in this instance, whatever source you would have run across, and your dedication to have looked at it critically when you did.
I think that requires a specific sample, Zard. It has to be young men in the military vs young men out in public looking for something to do. At which point, it's not one year if I remember correctly, it's perpetual.
Okay. I still don't really know what you're on about though, but that's not unusual.
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I don't think it's brevity I think it's just an appeal to emotion. But either way you can only address what's there to address.
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Okay.
(An example of only being able to address what is provided)
(An example of only being able to address what is provided)
Berzerker
Deity
People had their chance to hold Clinton accountable, the somewhere you gotta start is your own house. If you start with the neighbor's house they're gonna see that double standard and respond negatively.
No, not this thread. You dont have to prove anything to me, the people who supported Clinton know what they did. To be fair to both sides these are allegations and largely unknown to the electorate at the time.
Trump matters now because he has an R next to his name. Clinton mattered back then and the Democrats haven't reacted to allegations of rape the way they do with Trump. Clinton would have been back in the White House if his enabling wife got elected, so how did Democrats react to that reality? Not a word about it...
But they didn't complain after the first person stepped on their foot. Their silence paved the way for Trump.
I'm explaining that holding your tongue and nose while supporting immoral people and then complaining about other people holding their tongues and noses when they support immoral people is hypocritical and polarizing. Claiming the moral high ground requires one standard, not two for us & them.
I'm 'attacking' Clinton's supporters who condemn Trump's supporters. Both men are alive and both men had a chance to be in the White House in 2017.
As much as I disliked Hillary and refused to vote for her, I don't hold her responsible for what her husband did. Standing up for your spouse was a sign of character back when she did it. I think she was punished enough by what he did. Think of all the snide comments she must have endured. Him being in the white house as a kept man is no where near comparable to Trump being in charge of this country.
For the record, I was a registered Republican when he was president.
For the record, I was a registered Republican when he was president.
Your point is a good one, and Democrats could be louder on Clinton. But as for the suggestion 'clean your own house' (which is a reasonable one) how would you say it worked out with Al Franken?
I think it's okay he resigned. Just wish Trump had been forced to by Republicans after a good example was set.
Hygro
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Alright I got enough minutes to do this on my phone but I’ve been drinking so that’s what you’re getting from me.
Berzerker
Deity
I liked Franken from SNL and was sad about what happened, but the Dems were going after Roy Moore so Al had to pay the price to win the moral high ground in Alabama. Consistency is painful but its necessary, the GOP has lost the moral high ground and the only way they can regain it is if the Dems hand it back to them by nominating a Trump-like candidate. I dont see that happening any time soon.
Akka
Moody old mage.
To "lose" the moral high-ground, you need to actually hold it. I have a hard time thinking of a time where the GOP actually had any sort of moral ground, not even speaking of holding the highest one.
Hygro
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I can’t solve your levels. [note I don't know what I meant by this]
If you’re tripping and you care, you will find great media to advance you. For me it was “thelastpsychiatrist” who is the best. Slatestarcodex, to the left of TLP, attests it. The real, though finished blog, successor is Hotelconcierge. But. as “thelastpsychiatrist” says, “if you’re reading it, it’s for you”. Corollary, if not, then not yet or not, simply. The “trappings” thing is the most important thing I said to you. I’m saddened you jumped to “get better trappings” but I can’t expect you otherwise. It’s okay.
Now let’s get to the meat.
No fake friends. This is useless. Gross and counter productive.
We can discuss honestly the effect of social power on people without being evil manipulators. The rightwing does it internally, we do it academically, we should be able to do it here on CFC without it meaning we’re baaaaaaaad guuuyys. Duh. (I hope you all get the reference).
No ruling people. When I say guns for fear, respect, and being liked, that’s it. They have guns, and they are in charge but that doesn’t mean they rule us. Similarly, we aren’t trying to rule them. This is about democracy. The opposition parties (republicans for a while, the leading party while being opposition given the system) have largely not been shady on an electoral level for most of the time since the civil rights act. But starting in the 2000s and ramped up in there 2010s they have been. Why is this? Many reasons, when you have conservatives, culturally later than progressives hitting post modernity and cultural nihilism you could blame it all on that.
But I believe having been more than up to date on our side (most of the past decade of cutting edge discussion is 70s social justice which as a left-even-for-Berkeley-born-and-raised is good but incomplete old hat) so I spent the recent years gobbling up the low hanging fruit of our political opponents.
Brief interlude: think about it, they have different discussions but they still exist, so from a simple biologic understanding of survival they know some useful things, so they figured some things out that are useful and important. So *obviously* they have wisdom outside our immediate purview even if it’s not too alien.
They don’t care what we say. They care what we do. We have our sky falling issues, except ours are real: climate change chief among them. They have a more proper use of the sky falling dear idiom, they fear a loss of Americanism. We can assure them, while also making them less comfortable talking about fighting us (if we lose 2020 then my #1 choice WILL be president in 2025 that’s Ocasio-Cortez but they’re already civil war anxious and if you’ve read CFC for years, yes America has been on brink for civil war since the civil war but that’s the first president since Lincoln that could trigger them), if we are worthy enemies.
Okay fine, you don’t want to own an armalite. It’s cool, I have back taxes and student loans, it would be irresponsible of me too. And if you don’t want to do it, don’t do it. One thing right wingers know better on average than left wingers (per person, but the long tail of getting it goes to the rare left winger who is that cool) is that you let people sort themselves.
Anyway there’s a car I’ve brought us to, but not answered. [I don't know what word I meant instead of car]
We don’t need to change their minds, we do need to chill them out. They want to own to libs. That’s not chill. They don’t like Donald trump in a vacuum. They like him in context of not liking us. It’s pretty easy to understand why! You, gorbles, you trigger me into wanting to spite you for your nonsense. Seriously, let’s breathe together before I continue this line of thought.
Okay hold on.
Okay.
You were like “I unmasked you”. no!!! That’s such garbage. But I know where you came from so we can move forward.
But right wingers, from old school fundamentalists to new school gamer gate weirdos, they lack my same-team tolerance. So they will as cloud points out shoot their foot to hurt us.
We need to chill them out. There are many ways.
I offer a super amazing shortcut. Unfortunately too many democrats are emotionally and egotistically tied into gun banning. Fine, your mistake.
I had @Commodore upset with me in the gun thread for being knee jerkedly I favor of gun control because I pointed out that the only three countries with constitutional rights to bear arms are the neighboring three USA, Mexico, Guatemala. Our three plus neighbors, relative to development, have obscene gun violence. I’m not ignorant to these facts. Pointing them out to commodore made him think I had a position I didn’t. This is not unlike your own cognitive dissonance I thinking I have positions I do not, but I will leave that at this point of acknowledgement and no further for now.
But, for example, if you want gun control, republicans will be against it if only them own guns. They will never support mandatory buybacks of armalite ar-15s unless they are willing to—we outnumber them so...—see us lose 2 for each they own.
Anyway I’m black label, beer, and Belvedere deep so if I managed to tie this all together I rule. Hah. Not likely.
I care deeply about our future. The right wingers are here to stay. There is no pol pot, Maoist solution that is okay. They’re here to stay. We need to get them to play ball again and we need to make some smaller sacrifices for some bigger gains to save the world from a multi degree temperature rise and other problems. We’re America. We’re the free for all. We’re the gnarly not completely safe place where we uphold freedom at our own personal cost. The rest of the world respects us for it, don’t heed their smack talk.
Let’s chill out some conservatives by reminding them the libs they want to own are their own friends. They won’t bother if they like us. They voted more than we do but not 100% either. Right now they don’t want to please us. But imagine they did.
I understand their frame. You don’t. That’s not an insult: think about it, I’m comfortable wading through their language and you are not so, it’s evident. And deeper, I know you don’t because you declared me one of them which is suuuuuuper ridiculous. The furthest right person in this thread sort of agreeing with me is Manfred. Dude. We haven’t even gotten them started. @Tristan_C be quietly like Hygro shut up. He’s hoping you all succeed in shutting me down. At least for the sake of the hegemony of his politics. But also Tristan and I could kick it just fine. No pressure TC.
Anyway im rambling, and there’s a lot i haven’t addressed.
But long story short: this thread is about actionable ways of advancing progressivism/deomcratic-leftism. The disagreements have thus far been pretty simple: their advantage is electoral (not an argument against my proposal), they are not acting in good faith (not an argument against my proposal), and they lack empathy (not true although they are supporting some evil things that are reasonable to make someone consider that). I acknowledge all of these things. Also, I knew these things in high school when I joined this site. None of it invalidates a good idea: let your larger numbers and friend groups work for you, include conservatives and less lefty people, and if you want to maximize this, do it in part through owning the means of the underpinning monopoly on ensuring a single society: violence. And do it through their fetishized weapon just to Yankee Doodle them, the armalite. Yes, the secret side element that I think many of you fear is that you might ease up on some of your criticism of them but some of that is good and as for the est, there are more of us than them so we’re not gonna move, they will.
If you’re tripping and you care, you will find great media to advance you. For me it was “thelastpsychiatrist” who is the best. Slatestarcodex, to the left of TLP, attests it. The real, though finished blog, successor is Hotelconcierge. But. as “thelastpsychiatrist” says, “if you’re reading it, it’s for you”. Corollary, if not, then not yet or not, simply. The “trappings” thing is the most important thing I said to you. I’m saddened you jumped to “get better trappings” but I can’t expect you otherwise. It’s okay.
Now let’s get to the meat.
No fake friends. This is useless. Gross and counter productive.
We can discuss honestly the effect of social power on people without being evil manipulators. The rightwing does it internally, we do it academically, we should be able to do it here on CFC without it meaning we’re baaaaaaaad guuuyys. Duh. (I hope you all get the reference).
No ruling people. When I say guns for fear, respect, and being liked, that’s it. They have guns, and they are in charge but that doesn’t mean they rule us. Similarly, we aren’t trying to rule them. This is about democracy. The opposition parties (republicans for a while, the leading party while being opposition given the system) have largely not been shady on an electoral level for most of the time since the civil rights act. But starting in the 2000s and ramped up in there 2010s they have been. Why is this? Many reasons, when you have conservatives, culturally later than progressives hitting post modernity and cultural nihilism you could blame it all on that.
But I believe having been more than up to date on our side (most of the past decade of cutting edge discussion is 70s social justice which as a left-even-for-Berkeley-born-and-raised is good but incomplete old hat) so I spent the recent years gobbling up the low hanging fruit of our political opponents.
Brief interlude: think about it, they have different discussions but they still exist, so from a simple biologic understanding of survival they know some useful things, so they figured some things out that are useful and important. So *obviously* they have wisdom outside our immediate purview even if it’s not too alien.
They don’t care what we say. They care what we do. We have our sky falling issues, except ours are real: climate change chief among them. They have a more proper use of the sky falling dear idiom, they fear a loss of Americanism. We can assure them, while also making them less comfortable talking about fighting us (if we lose 2020 then my #1 choice WILL be president in 2025 that’s Ocasio-Cortez but they’re already civil war anxious and if you’ve read CFC for years, yes America has been on brink for civil war since the civil war but that’s the first president since Lincoln that could trigger them), if we are worthy enemies.
Okay fine, you don’t want to own an armalite. It’s cool, I have back taxes and student loans, it would be irresponsible of me too. And if you don’t want to do it, don’t do it. One thing right wingers know better on average than left wingers (per person, but the long tail of getting it goes to the rare left winger who is that cool) is that you let people sort themselves.
Anyway there’s a car I’ve brought us to, but not answered. [I don't know what word I meant instead of car]
We don’t need to change their minds, we do need to chill them out. They want to own to libs. That’s not chill. They don’t like Donald trump in a vacuum. They like him in context of not liking us. It’s pretty easy to understand why! You, gorbles, you trigger me into wanting to spite you for your nonsense. Seriously, let’s breathe together before I continue this line of thought.
Okay hold on.
Okay.
You were like “I unmasked you”. no!!! That’s such garbage. But I know where you came from so we can move forward.
But right wingers, from old school fundamentalists to new school gamer gate weirdos, they lack my same-team tolerance. So they will as cloud points out shoot their foot to hurt us.
We need to chill them out. There are many ways.
I offer a super amazing shortcut. Unfortunately too many democrats are emotionally and egotistically tied into gun banning. Fine, your mistake.
I had @Commodore upset with me in the gun thread for being knee jerkedly I favor of gun control because I pointed out that the only three countries with constitutional rights to bear arms are the neighboring three USA, Mexico, Guatemala. Our three plus neighbors, relative to development, have obscene gun violence. I’m not ignorant to these facts. Pointing them out to commodore made him think I had a position I didn’t. This is not unlike your own cognitive dissonance I thinking I have positions I do not, but I will leave that at this point of acknowledgement and no further for now.
But, for example, if you want gun control, republicans will be against it if only them own guns. They will never support mandatory buybacks of armalite ar-15s unless they are willing to—we outnumber them so...—see us lose 2 for each they own.
Anyway I’m black label, beer, and Belvedere deep so if I managed to tie this all together I rule. Hah. Not likely.
I care deeply about our future. The right wingers are here to stay. There is no pol pot, Maoist solution that is okay. They’re here to stay. We need to get them to play ball again and we need to make some smaller sacrifices for some bigger gains to save the world from a multi degree temperature rise and other problems. We’re America. We’re the free for all. We’re the gnarly not completely safe place where we uphold freedom at our own personal cost. The rest of the world respects us for it, don’t heed their smack talk.
Let’s chill out some conservatives by reminding them the libs they want to own are their own friends. They won’t bother if they like us. They voted more than we do but not 100% either. Right now they don’t want to please us. But imagine they did.
I understand their frame. You don’t. That’s not an insult: think about it, I’m comfortable wading through their language and you are not so, it’s evident. And deeper, I know you don’t because you declared me one of them which is suuuuuuper ridiculous. The furthest right person in this thread sort of agreeing with me is Manfred. Dude. We haven’t even gotten them started. @Tristan_C be quietly like Hygro shut up. He’s hoping you all succeed in shutting me down. At least for the sake of the hegemony of his politics. But also Tristan and I could kick it just fine. No pressure TC.
Anyway im rambling, and there’s a lot i haven’t addressed.
But long story short: this thread is about actionable ways of advancing progressivism/deomcratic-leftism. The disagreements have thus far been pretty simple: their advantage is electoral (not an argument against my proposal), they are not acting in good faith (not an argument against my proposal), and they lack empathy (not true although they are supporting some evil things that are reasonable to make someone consider that). I acknowledge all of these things. Also, I knew these things in high school when I joined this site. None of it invalidates a good idea: let your larger numbers and friend groups work for you, include conservatives and less lefty people, and if you want to maximize this, do it in part through owning the means of the underpinning monopoly on ensuring a single society: violence. And do it through their fetishized weapon just to Yankee Doodle them, the armalite. Yes, the secret side element that I think many of you fear is that you might ease up on some of your criticism of them but some of that is good and as for the est, there are more of us than them so we’re not gonna move, they will.
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Hygro
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No we’re equating one epstein customer with another one.... are we now equating an extramarital affair with rape...?
So a Franken level misbehavior is a fair trade for Moore? I see you acknowledge that the GOP has lost the moral High Ground, but you can understand that the Democrats are loath to make such a trade again.
All of the people that crossed the line have to be expelled from office eventually. But my suspicion is that the GOP won't play fair. We all know that I advocate against eating beef, but I've learned when someone points out my leather belt they often aren't trying to do anything but get me to not have a belt.
Narz
keeping it real
I have one of these belts, I will never go back to one w pin and little holes again. Why would I want 6 or 8 possibilites when I could have infinite?
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