Farm Boy
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And you're asking people now about accountability of something that happened roughly twenty years ago. Presumably to catch people in some kind of justification of Clinton so you can use it as a gotcha.But he was President and people supported him in spite of a rape accusation
Nah.Weird.
So, just out of curiosity, what is your strategy then? I recall you saying you would never hurt anyone, so I guess you are not preparing for armed revolution either.Anyone who still believes the GOP and their voters can be swayed over are being incredibly naive
And you're asking people now about accountability of something that happened roughly twenty years ago. Presumably to catch people in some kind of justification of Clinton so you can use it as a gotcha.
I have to ask you: what relevance is there to who supported Clinton? It's 2019. People could've changed their minds since then (various victims did, and you don't see me casting doubt on them just because they took time to come forwards). It has nothing to do with the people now who support Trump (the overlap for which I'm going to go out on a limb and assume is virtually nonexistent).
Nah.
Because you'll lose if you don't. And you have a distinct obligation to not lose. Because if you lose, there are evil people that will do evil things while other people stand by, feeling helpless.I'll be honest, Hygro, I don't see why the responsibility is on us to prove there is the slightest modicum of merit to "maybe don't support oppressing minorities."
So, just out of curiosity, what is your strategy then? I recall you saying you would never hurt anyone, so I guess you are not preparing for armed revolution either.
Because if you lose, there are evil people that will do evil things while other people stand by, feeling helpless.
Are you proposing that democrats are mostly marginalized and interpersonally violent racists are mostly not? That sounds unreasonable, so I think you aren't.If you understand that people have to put themselves in dangerous suggestions to even have a chance of making this work, I'd say that's even more worrying. People are meant to have compassion for each other, we're meant to be a society. Sending marginalised people at people most likely to hurt said marginalised people is irresponsible at best.
Those are people are fringe. They are exciting, and this is the internet, so it reaches you quickly. They are fringe. The world isn't full of them. There are many, but remember, in the summer of shark attacks, there weren't many shark attacks.As your post didn't have the edit when I quoted it, I really think you shouldn't generalise. Violent behaviour is an incredibly complicated topic to the extent that there are mass murderers in popular culture who have people who defend them - their family, even. Because they saw nothing wrong.
You will never make friends appeasing people. I'm literally saying we should own guns so that they fear us. And like us!Or, if I'm going to run with this and see the best faith version of this proposal possible, at the very least, I'd expect an concerted and equal defend of left-wing folks. Unfortunately, in threads where left-wing activists are raised as a topic, I literally never see it. So forgive me for assuming that you might not have all the answers here. You're telling left-leaning folks they have to kiss and make up with right-leaning folks, but you don't ever (nor do you even in this thread) propose the opposite. Which is all the more revealing of some other posters in here who from their written posts prize equality and fairness, because there's been literally no comment on that discrepancy.
What kind of making friends is ganging up on people? What are you imagining.Ganging up on someone a) never rules out any party getting hurt and besides, b) guns (or even knives) made that naive supposition irrelevant a long time ago.
They're doing that anyways. Supporting them expedites the process.
Ah, right. The mask slips.You are literally asking me to virtue signal to you.
I'm literally saying we should own guns so that they fear us. And like us!
Your assumption is, therefore, that people aren't already doing that pondering. That's why this thread is kinda futile. It's vastly generalising a bunch of people, a lot of which Hygro is unlikely to know.Because you'll lose if you don't. And you have a distinct obligation to not lose. Because if you lose, there are evil people that will do evil things while other people stand by, feeling helpless.
I'm not sure what people are arguing.
"It's not possible for person X to help us out-number conservatives"?
"It's a waste of time trying to morally sway conservatives to help preserve democracy functions"?
"It's not fair to ask Person X to contribute"?
"I have a better use of my skill-set"?
"Something else will prevent the problem"?
Hygro's suggestion is a lot like my 'eat less meat' suggestion for climate change. If it would harm you, then don't do it. But if you have an ounce of privilege, then you should be pondering ways to help, because there's a need.
They're doing that anyways. Supporting them expedites the process.
Some of us attach real meaning to the word "friendship", instead of faking it in order to do something about someone elses' politics. Also, r.e. basic psychology (like, basic in-group out-group stuff), publicly befriending problematic people signifies that you think they're okay enough to be friends with.If you think including conservatives into your friend group, where the aforementioned pulling mechanisms happen, means support their politics, you are super crazy.
Oh but he assures you that you've got nothing to worry about.You cannot ask me to tolerate people who think my existence is doing damage to society and not expect me to be skeptical at the very least.
Im not interested in letting my guard down and becoming the next transperson to be killed.
And you're asking people now about accountability of something that happened roughly twenty years ago. Presumably to catch people in some kind of justification of Clinton so you can use it as a gotcha.
I have to ask you: what relevance is there to who supported Clinton? It's 2019. People could've changed their minds since then (various victims did, and you don't see me casting doubt on them just because they took time to come forwards). It has nothing to do with the people now who support Trump (the overlap for which I'm going to go out on a limb and assume is virtually nonexistent).
I'm not the one who asked "why should we battle harmful conservative beliefs?"!Your assumption is, therefore, that people aren't already doing that pondering.
Wait, wait, wait. You think I should be having different conversations elsewhere!?! Isn't that literally the suggestion?Why not put pressure on said demographic to change yourself?
Oh but he assures you that you've got nothing to worry about.
So to recap:I'm highlighting one of the reasons the relationship between liberals and conservatives is problematic while alienating the rest of us. People who supported Clinton or Trump have no business looking down their noses at each other because of rape accusations, the hypocrisy is not lost in translation.
1. I'm someone who answered it, and I haven't seen you give a counterargument as to why people should put their personal safety at risk. You talk about privilege, but your position is from privilege. People like Cloud are telling you exactly how dangerous it can be - why doesn't that seem to count?I'm not the one who asked "why should we battle harmful conservative beliefs?"!
Wait, wait, wait. You think I should be having different conversations elsewhere!?! Isn't that literally the suggestion?
Gorbles, obviously the conversation will be different elsewhere than here.
Do you think I should just be posting on CFC "oh, please open your mind about LGBT issues" over and over? Or do you think that too would be a waste of time? Because it would be.
Hygro is asking for help on that front. You're saying "no". Some people are saying "no" for good reasons. Why are you? Is the answer "why's it my job to convince conservatives to change their beliefs?". Then we're back full circle. If it would hurt you, don't do it. If you think it's someone else's job, then say so.