[RD] They passed Bill C7.

aimeeandbeatles

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The Canadian House of Commons just voted to pass a bill that singles out disabled people, and only disabled people (including those with mental illness), as eligible for Medical Assistance in Dying (MAiD) without a reasonably foreseeable death. The previous law (C14) was only available to those who had a reasonably foreseeable death. Therefore it is no longer Medical Assistance in Dying, but Medically Assisted Dying.

It's a "choice."

This is also a country that refuses to give proper supports to live in dignity, whether it be warehousing disabled people away in LTCs and leaving them to lie in their own piss until they "choose" MAiD, putting them last in line for a vaccine for a disease that disproportionately affects them, or not giving them an adequate income (or even better, trying to kick them off entirely). Just this past year and the pandemic has shown that our lives are seen as expendable for the sake of the economy and the convenience of ableds.

They give us the chose to die, but not to live.

The government could have chosen to appeal the lower court ruling, but did not. They were eager enough to appeal decisions for other things. But don't worry. Every disabled person who offs themselves will save the government money (and this is just healthcare costs). Something to think about considering the sudden amount of COVID "long-haulers"...

Over 120 disability organizations opposed the changes, and even the UN Special Rapporteur was alarmed about violations in human rights. And they passed this on the 11th anniversary of Canada signing the United Nations Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities.

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I probably won't be back again.
 
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Easy peasy. Find some disgraced or discredited doctors who have no other employment options and their own powers of rationalization will do all the work for you.
 
Beats me how to even run it. Doctors would be violating there oaths similar to why they don't do executions?

Easy peasy. Find some disgraced or discredited doctors who have no other employment options and their own powers of rationalization will do all the work for you.

Senator Don Plett (leader of opposition in Senate) proposed an amendment for conscience rights of physicians who did not wish to participate in medically assisted dying. I think it was defeated.
 
Oh but euthanasia is so progressive...

I don't have a problem with MAiD in itself, when it's for people who have a reasonably foreseeable death (like C14 did). But they removed that part.

It's only available to those with a "grievous and irremediable medical condition," better known as a disability. They single us out as eligible for suicide when we are not dying. Especially when a good part of our so-called "suffering" could be alleviated if we were provided the proper supports. Unfortunately, death is cheaper.
 
Does Canada’s Supreme Court have any role on oversight if they find it conflicts with Charter rights?
 
Does Canada’s Supreme Court have any role on oversight if they find it conflicts with Charter rights?

I'm not sure exactly how it works. Unfortunately, the government chose not to appeal the Truchon decision so it probably won't ever reach the Supreme Court.
 
Senator Don Plett (leader of opposition in Senate) proposed an amendment for conscience rights of physicians who did not wish to participate in medically assisted dying. I think it was defeated.

One would think they can't force a doctor to participate?
 
Does Canada’s Supreme Court have any role on oversight if they find it conflicts with Charter rights?

I did a little bit of search and found this op-ed in The Conversaiton (after the Truchon decision but well prior to Bill C7 being tabled), where Trudo Lemmens (who does a lot of work in bioethics) and Laverne Jacobs (not overly familiar with the name) argue that it should be taken to the Supreme Court to clarify the application of the Charter rights. Obviously they didn't.
 
Jeez, it's really called maid?


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They're fond of "helpful" acronyms here. Yes, it's called MAiD. Medical Assistance in Dying.

Aimee is absolutely correct in that the disabled have been ignored, belittled, condescended to, and forgotten in this pandemic. I truly, honestly hate the current government of Alberta, the Minister of Social Services in particular.

The Alberta budget came out recently, and I dodged a bullet. This time. Those on the disability benefit I receive were told to expect cuts, but thankfully the government was persuaded not to do it. Instead, they're going to change the eligibility requirements and kick as many people off as possible. Their targets are those with mental illnesses. Apparently they've learned nothing from the suicide of a veteran on the steps of the Legislature last year, when he couldn't get the supports he needed. The irony is that at the time he killed himself, the government was introducing a bill that would have excused doctors who already had conscience rights from referring patients to other doctors who are willing to provide MAiD.

This legislation was flawed from the get-go. The Supreme Court of Canada set out very specific requirements for the government to use when writing it, and the then-Minister of Justice smugly ignored them. The Supreme Court wanted mental illness included, and it wanted advance arrangements included, for the cases of people who wanted to make sure they could not be condemned to a living hell because their situation had deteriorated to the point where they could neither speak nor write.

Advance arrangment is still not included in this legislation. From my perspective, it needs to be. I saw both my grandmother and dad suffer from Alzheimers and dementia. I don't want to end up like that. If I get cancer (courtesy of my mother's genetic legacy - it's something that's afflicted women in the last four generations of her side of the family) and it's the kind that will affect my cognitive abilities or my ability to speak or write, I want to have my say BEFORE that point.

I know more than any other person what constitutes an acceptable quality of life for me. NOBODY gets to decide that for me. But Jody Wilson-Raybould, who smugly declared that "this legislation is fair" thought that she and her faith-based bias had that right.

Yes, it would be better if the disabled and others living with horrible chronic medical conditions and diseases could have better supports. Yes, the "system" and interconnection of "systems" tends to take a very condescending view of such people. Add in the religion angle, and you have situations of terminally ill people being forced to go to a bus shelter in the street in front of the facility they live in, because said facility is Catholic-run and the policy there is to not permit anyone to even discuss MAiD on the premises, let alone letting their residents have the final say over when and how they choose to handle their own terminal illness.

Shove people into institutions? Yeah, two years ago, when I had a panic attack in the hospital over learning new "normals" that will apply to me for the rest of my life (barring some cure), the nurse promptly got angry and told me I should move to a seniors' institution and said, "How about Bethany? Bethany's good."

Bethany is a Catholic-run institution. Sure, it's located next to the college, and I'd have library and Arts Centre privileges. But the people who live there are at least a generation older, and as much as I don't mind hanging around with senior citizens a generation older, I've already had over half a lifetime living with them. I don't want to do it again until it's the only option left. And of course it being a faith-based facility, that would mesh so well with somebody like me. Not. The proselytizing would be relentless in a place like that, and if I were to end up like my grandmother and dad (Alzheimers and dementia, respectively), they would not honor my wishes to not have to live like that.

Not to mention, it's expensive - it's much more than I get from AISH, and when I pointed that out, the nurse said, "They'll find a way."

So yeah, I've already had a taste of the medical profession trying to coerce me away from living as independently as possible, with any cats I choose to share my life with.

Oh but euthanasia is so progressive...
It's not euthanasia. Nobody can make this decision other than the person him/herself. Not even their guardian, or in cases of mature minors, not even the parents.

Beats me how to even run it. Doctors would be violating there oaths similar to why they don't do executions?
Honestly, there are times when people are in such hellish pain, that refusing to let them die with some measure of dignity, painlessly, is causing more harm.

I remember a conversation I had with my dad, after my grandmother died. He said, "If that ever happens to me, take me out and shoot me."

There was no MAiD legislation in 1997. Of course I couldn't do as he asked, even after there was MAiD legislation, because he would have had to request it himself. And the moment his doctor signed the diagnosis of dementia, it made it legally impossible for my dad to make such a request, because even though he was still reasonably lucid at the time, he was deemed mentally incompetent. I had a fight with the government just to be the one to make his medical decisions. But that's one decision I was absolutely not allowed to make, even though I knew it was one he would have wanted me to make.

It's easy to judge others for taking this route if you've never been in the situation yourself.

Easy peasy. Find some disgraced or discredited doctors who have no other employment options and their own powers of rationalization will do all the work for you.
That's not how it works. Unless they work in private clinics, doctors' billing is determined by the provincial or territorial government.

I don't have a problem with MAiD in itself, when it's for people who have a reasonably foreseeable death (like C14 did). But they removed that part.

It's only available to those with a "grievous and irremediable medical condition," better known as a disability. They single us out as eligible for suicide when we are not dying. Especially when a good part of our so-called "suffering" could be alleviated if we were provided the proper supports. Unfortunately, death is cheaper.
Agreed, for the most part. And yes, I read about the people who opted for MAiD because the only supports they could get were in another province and they couldn't afford to move there AND live while receiving the support.

That said... there are some types of disabilities that are hell on earth for the people who suffer from them. They should have the option if they want it and truly have no other viable choices.

I can see both sides of this. :(

Does Canada’s Supreme Court have any role on oversight if they find it conflicts with Charter rights?
The Supreme Court can, and has, struck down legislation that conflicts with the Charter. They used to do it on a regular basis when Harper was the Prime Minister.

One would think they can't force a doctor to participate?
No, but the current law is that the doctor who opts out has to refer the patient to another doctor. Some provinces (including my own) are attempting to pass legislation that excuses them from doing this.

This is wrong. It's enabling a doctor to do an end run around the Charter, by imposing their religious beliefs on a patient's treatment. It's akin to (albeit in a much more serious way) a doctor or pharmacist refusing to prescribe or fill a prescription for birth control or to perform an abortion using religion as their reason.

Freedom of religion must also include freedom from religion. I'm not talking about doorknockers here. I'm talking about medical professionals refusing specific treatments or services to patients if it clashes with their religious beliefs.
 
I don't look at it as religious.

If I was a doctor I wouldn't do it. I would have no problem referring them to someone else. Violates my personal ethics on when it's ok to kill.

But if they can't find enough (or any) doctors willing to do it I wouldn't be keen on forcing them.
 
The Alberta budget came out recently, and I dodged a bullet. This time. Those on the disability benefit I receive were told to expect cuts, but thankfully the government was persuaded not to do it. Instead, they're going to change the eligibility requirements and kick as many people off as possible. Their targets are those with mental illnesses. Apparently they've learned nothing from the suicide of a veteran on the steps of the Legislature last year, when he couldn't get the supports he needed. The irony is that at the time he killed himself, the government was introducing a bill that would have excused doctors who already had conscience rights from referring patients to other doctors who are willing to provide MAiD.

Alberta used to sterilize disabled people.

Advance arrangment is still not included in this legislation. From my perspective, it needs to be. I saw both my grandmother and dad suffer from Alzheimers and dementia. I don't want to end up like that. If I get cancer (courtesy of my mother's genetic legacy - it's something that's afflicted women in the last four generations of her side of the family) and it's the kind that will affect my cognitive abilities or my ability to speak or write, I want to have my say BEFORE that point.

The Senate amended it in (look for the one by Senator Pamela Wallin). They also amended in the mental illness thing—there was a lot of debating about that in the HoC yesterday (I was watching ParlVu) and they put it to a vote but decided to keep the amendment.
 
Yes, that happened here. I can see that institution across the valley from the room I'm sitting in right now. It was a shameful part of this province's history, especially for the people institutionalized who didn't actually belong there (have an inconvenient out-of-wedlock child? Fake an IQ test, stick the kid in ASH/Deerhome and forget about her).

The Senate amended it in (look for the one by Senator Pamela Wallin). They also amended in the mental illness thing—there was a lot of debating about that in the HoC yesterday (I was watching ParlVu) and they put it to a vote but decided to keep the amendment.
This may be the only useful thing Pamela Wallin ever did in the Senate.
 
I'm sorry, aimee. That's a gross bill. The new crop of "clean seed" conservigressives were never going to be satisfied with their work in utero.
 
On the one hand, I think it's horrifying that only able-bodied people can climb over the fence on a tall-enough bridge. But the horror of this becoming subject to 'market efficiencies' is pretty clear.
 
Wild that this is coming from the same country with enforced curfews against its own charter and locking up a religious figure in the name of "safety". Not that I can point fingers based on US policy, but the hypocrisy here is still pretty crazy. People should have a choice until they shouldn't, apparently.
 
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