This bugs me to no end. I refuse to give any extra tip if there's a forced tip tacked on, regardless of service, and I always tip more then the average forced tip for good service at other restaurants.
Tip the pizza delivery driver!
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This bugs me to no end. I refuse to give any extra tip if there's a forced tip tacked on, regardless of service, and I always tip more then the average forced tip for good service at other restaurants.
Yeah, and in American society it works pretty well.
Why exactly is that?
Well, philosophically, because the onus of the economical activity should rely on the enterpriser, which is the greater profiteer and the most interested in the activity. Hence, a service in which the employee bare an operational cost greater than the pay he receives, except for random and uncertain tips of unknown value, is indeed exploitation of labor.
Regards
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I tip peeps 15% normally if they have good enough service; that's roughly a little less than doubling the state's sales tax, so it works out allright.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
I don't order out often, but I generally tip well when I do.
But you can never ever expect a tip. A tip is meant to be a bonus for doing a job well. If you don't do your job well - you can't expect a tip, that's not the right attitude to have.. you do not deserve the tip... It's an extra.
Having said that, I always tip.
But you can never ever expect a tip. A tip is meant to be a bonus for doing a job well. If you don't do your job well - you can't expect a tip, that's not the right attitude to have.. you do not deserve the tip... It's an extra.
Having said that, I always tip.
Irish Caesar
Yellow Jacket
I was about to be stunned at your high sales tax, until I remembered it's 8.25% in Atlanta... that's why I don't buy anything here. I'm used to 5 in Mass. and 0 in NH.
Heh, 8.75 here. Welcome to New York!
woody60707
Deity
Fair enough! But it depends on society, really.
Anyway, whether people tip or not, if the regular pay the job gives does not cover the costs, there is something wrong here, and that is a subject of attention more relevant than tip amounts.
Regards
Well you know the goverment taxes tips, right?
FredLC is right, there is something very wrong with a system that taxes a assume 15% income you are not legally entitled to receive to begin with.
woody60707
Deity
The government only taxes the tips if you report them
Well the way my mom explained it to me was that in her job the government assume a 15% tip, and taxes that. I guess at the end of the year when you fill out your taxes, you can get that tax money back if you didn't get an avg of a 15% tip. (or pay more if you got tipped over 15%). But really, what the hell!
My mom is a bartender now, but luckily the boss reports her as a sales clerk, so she doesn't have her tips taxed. But if (and maybe when) her job was reported as a bartender, then the government will just start taking tip taxes out, and at the end of the year you can work it all out with the IRS.
14% in Ontario.
For what it is worth, BugFatty, I always tip. Whether it is the Sonic girl, the pizza deliveryman, whatever. An $18 pizza would probably rate a $3 to $4 tip.
DISCLAIMER: I actually did not tip the other day at Sonic because it took them more than 12 minutes just to get two drinks out to me. So I guess I do not "always" tip.
DISCLAIMER: I actually did not tip the other day at Sonic because it took them more than 12 minutes just to get two drinks out to me. So I guess I do not "always" tip.
Same here. I'm never going to be one of those people with a pocket calculator to figure out the exact tip based on some exact percentage...so I'll just toss in that change in the guy's favor.
But even on $20 orders, I usually gave the guy $24 or $25. Must explain why I get my stuff in decent time and overcoming the obstacles of having a bell system that never works.
Recently, at a Turkish restaurant, I tossed in $7 in tips on a $29 bill for the great service. I'm just generous like that, I suppose. Could be a fault, maybe not, but I do understand that they may be roughing it.
I have wondered about the credit card tip myself. I've heard that tips added onto the receipt were dispersed to the entire staff, but I wouldn't know for sure. I usually try to have cash on hand for the tip, but last time at Junior's, I wrote in the $10 on top of a $50 bill (even though it was after 9 PM and they charged a gratuity for it, which is a policy I dislike). Hope it made it to that guy.
Bugfatty300
Buddha Squirrel
Fine but keep in mind that when I deliver late pizzas it is always the kitchen people's fault and not mine. Either they put the order in the warmer as a carry out or just not make the order at all.
People have gotten their orders hours after a big SNAFU in the kitchen and they've still given me a tip.
It doesn't really matter to me. If you put the tip on the slip we get it at the end of the shift as opposed to getting it on the spot if you give us cash.
Some people just put a line through the tip portion and don't give anything even though the delivery was on time and I was courteous. This is the biggest insult IMO to pizza delivery drivers.
Bugfatty300
Buddha Squirrel
Fine with me. I WISH non-tippers would get in their own cars and go get their own pizzas with their own time and their own gas. That would suit me perfectly.
Then I can just take pizzas to people who appreciate our service.
Bugfatty300
Buddha Squirrel
For what its worth I greatly appreciate every tip I get and do not treat non-tippers any differently except that I personally do not care for them as my neighbors.
I ask other drivers and/or call the customer.
I used a map for my first week before. But it got so torn and tattered that I threw it away. Now I just have most places memorized.
I don't order delivery much anymore, but when I do I usually tip somewhat over 15%. I'll round the order up to the next dollar amount, figure 15%, and then round that up to the next dollar.
So, for example, I'd give $28.00 for a $23.50 order. If I don't have the bills to make exactly $28.00, I'll give $30, and either say "make it 28" or "can I get 2 back?" so there's no question about how much I expect in change.
Exceptions are if delivery took an extra long time (and yeah, I take it into account if I order a pizza during what can be expected to be a rush time), or if the order is wrong... usually I'll just bring the tip down to a flat 10 or 15%. The only time I can recall not tipping at all is once when delivery took well over an hour, the order was incomplete (no sodas, thought they were on the ticket), and getting the sodas was another 45 minutes.
So, for example, I'd give $28.00 for a $23.50 order. If I don't have the bills to make exactly $28.00, I'll give $30, and either say "make it 28" or "can I get 2 back?" so there's no question about how much I expect in change.
Exceptions are if delivery took an extra long time (and yeah, I take it into account if I order a pizza during what can be expected to be a rush time), or if the order is wrong... usually I'll just bring the tip down to a flat 10 or 15%. The only time I can recall not tipping at all is once when delivery took well over an hour, the order was incomplete (no sodas, thought they were on the ticket), and getting the sodas was another 45 minutes.
I completely sympathize with your situation, and hopefully you can with mine: in order to avoid this incredibly awkward, gray area situation... I simply never (NEVER) order food delivery.
On a side note, due to my lack of cooking prowess, I was thinking of going for the NutriSystem thing. So what am I supposed to do? Tip the UPS guy, 'cause it's food.
I really don't get the whole tipping thing. I think it comes from a long time ago, back when you had 2 classes; the exceedingly rich, and the dirt poor. The rich got a kick out of tossing coins at the poor, and watching them act like it was a big deal, and in turn the poor came to grovel, and strive for tips, since they needed to.
But, those days are long gone. Act like a man. We do business... it's cut and dry. None of this... 'c-c-can ya spare some change man??' -awkward moments.
IF you had a real job, and weren't carrying luggage in a hotel, etc.... then you would be paid like a respectable human being. It's the system, which you should be mad at. They severely under-pay you, and tell you to go beg, like in the feudal days - to make up the difference.
Actually, the origin of tipping is long shrouded in the mists of time! So we're not sure! The etymology for the word "to tip", however, comes from a gift. It's a gift, first and foremost!
A tip is simply a gratuity, a payment above the norm. It should be given to exceptional service! People who serve food or beverages depend on tips for a large part of their income, and if people were stingy, then employers would have to pay more to keep good workers and your food would be more expensive. =/
But tipping shouldn't be required unless a good service is given. If you just expect a big tip for just doing your job, forget it. =\
So don't be a jerk with your tips, because otherwise they will not like it and do a crappy job. =O
A tip is simply a gratuity, a payment above the norm. It should be given to exceptional service! People who serve food or beverages depend on tips for a large part of their income, and if people were stingy, then employers would have to pay more to keep good workers and your food would be more expensive. =/
But tipping shouldn't be required unless a good service is given. If you just expect a big tip for just doing your job, forget it. =\
So don't be a jerk with your tips, because otherwise they will not like it and do a crappy job. =O
