Trump Indicted!

forgive me, I haven't followed this story very well but indicting a former president sort-of gets my interest,

so according to this DA, Trump should be prosecuted for paying blackmail money (I think it's blackmail money) to some porn star but the porn star shouldn't be prosecuted for receiving it.
is that about right?
There is no blackmail involved. Stormy Daniels wanted to sell her story to Pecker; He said he wouldn't buy it. Pecker told Trump and Trump sent Cohen to buy her silence. This all happened soon after Trump's "grab them by their cat" statement went public. Trump did not need another sex sandal at that moment in the election cycle.

Cohen has already been convicted of Federal Elections crimes for his part in all this.
 
The drafting is the legal expense - and not a business one at that since the drafting was not related to a business purpose.
that's highly debatable in this case. influencing what is and isn't said publicly seems to be one of the core expenses of political campaigns.

Are you in principle against rich people donating money to organizations with some kind of political agenda?
in principle? no. in practice of founding an organization that pays money to specific ngos that engage in terror? yes.

soros is an odd case too, because he funds some stuff that goes against israel. which side of that is "anti-semetic" depends on who you ask, but it's a good sign that hatred on him is more political than based on his religious beliefs or ethnic background. i'm sure you can find some people out there who hate soros because he's jewish, but i suspect vast majority hate him either for his own political beliefs or for where his money is going. neither of these have much, if anything, to do with the jewish faith.

Personally I'm kind of laizzes faire on this subject. If I was really rich, I could very well imagine myself pooling money into organizations that I believed would make the world a better place.
better is the key word. you have to believe the money is going into organizations that make the world better, or at least not worse. if you believe the money is going into harmful things, then in the context of that belief disliking the person funding it is reasonable.

i also dislike bill gates, though in his particular case it's more about how he's conducted business more directly.

The 80 million USians who voted for Biden in 2020 do care about it.
It is also likely that ~30 million hard core Trump supporters also care about it, but for different reasons.
this makes it seem like it was indeed a relevant expenditure to the trump campaign.
 
that's highly debatable in this case. influencing what is and isn't said publicly seems to be one of the core expenses of political campaigns.
Trump claims it wasn't a core expense of his political campaign and it was not reported as such - thus a federal crime on Trump's part. If it was deducted from a business or personal return (not a campaign filing), then that is another crime or crimes - probably Federal, state, and local.
 
this makes it seem like it was indeed a relevant expenditure to the trump campaign.
No one knew about the episode in 2016 when Trump paid her. that was the whole point of paying her. It was only when Stormy Daniels went public in Jan 2018 that anyone other than those directly involved learned of it. In August 2018, Cohen reached a plea deal with prosecutors, saying he paid off Daniels "at the direction of the [ ] candidate" and "for the principal purpose of influencing the election."
 
Trump claims it wasn't a core expense of his political campaign and it was not reported as such - thus a federal crime on Trump's part. If it was deducted from a business or personal return (not a campaign filing), then that is another crime or crimes - probably Federal, state, and local.
oh. i was under the impression that it was a campaign filing. who knows then. maybe there is some kind of problem with it from a tax code perspective. will be interesting to see how they get past statute of limitations on it as a crime though, and how it gets pinned onto him directly at this point.

In August 2018, Cohen reached a plea deal with prosecutors, saying he paid off Daniels "at the direction of the ... candidate" and "for the principal purpose of influencing the election."
yes, campaigns pay money to influence elections. the question is whether he filed it properly, apparently, and to what degree he is liable given it's almost certain someone else did his taxes for him.
 
oh. i was under the impression that it was a campaign filing. who knows then. maybe there is some kind of problem with it from a tax code perspective. will be interesting to see how they get past statute of limitations on it as a crime though, and how it gets pinned onto him directly at this point.


yes, campaigns pay money to influence elections. the question is whether he filed it properly, apparently, and to what degree he is liable given it's almost certain someone else did his taxes for him.
The amount exceeded federal limits and you cannot blame accountants for tax errors if you have signed the forms [I'm not sure taxes have any connection to this]. The money was not listed as a campaign contribution either; another violation.
 
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oh. i was under the impression that it was a campaign filing. who knows then. maybe there is some kind of problem with it from a tax code perspective. will be interesting to see how they get past statute of limitations on it as a crime though, and how it gets pinned onto him directly at this point.
For felonies, the statute of Limitations will not be a problem. Trump has already admitted to reimbursing Cohen for the hush money payments.
 
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I'm not saying this thing's in the bag.
It could still hit some kind of a snag.
But I think the fist pump
Will not be by Trump;
No, it's Alvin whom we will see Bragg.
 
Not from my own experience. People in my country who sympathize with the republicans and are active on the internet, often seems to believe in these theories without expressing any anti-semitism. In fact a lot of these people are very sympathetic to Israel.
This is a massive tell lol
 
Half of the Israel supporters in the US support Israel because they think a Jewish kingdom in the holy land is a necessary precondition for Jesus returning and sending all the Jews to hell, so antisemitism isn't exactly incompatible with support for Israel
 
Israel does have a left wing. It's just completely ineffectual.
 
Half of the Israel supporters in the US support Israel because they think a Jewish kingdom in the holy land is a necessary precondition for Jesus returning and sending all the Jews to hell, so antisemitism isn't exactly incompatible with support for Israel

And global fash mostly love Israel these days on far less millenarian grounds

In a recent paper you published on the continuing role of antisemitism as an anchoring ideology of the global far right, you write that “the biggest point of departure of contemporary far-right antisemitism from its earlier manifestations — [is] the growing decoupling of attitudes towards Israel from antisemitism against diaspora Jews, the pro-Israel policies of otherwise antisemitic populist parties and movements, and their embrace by Israel.” What do you see as the root of what you call “pro-Israel antisemitism,” and can you put it into context in terms of the praise Orbán received from an Israeli settler leader at CPAC?

There are a few reasons why [far-right] parties have a favorable attitude toward Israel. The first one is very cynical: that if they get support from Israel, it covers them for charges of antisemitism. So some of it is purely transactional: “We’re going to be friends with Israel, and then no one can accuse us of being antisemites.” That works really well for all of these groups, and it’s sort of like how [Donald] Trump says, “My daughter married a Jew [Jared Kushner], so I’m not an antisemite,” but at a [national] level.

The second one is that they bond over Islamophobia. They perceive Israel as being a very militaristic country that is successfully dealing with their “Muslim threat,” and this is something they would like to introduce in their own countries so they can address what they see as their own “Muslim threat.” They admire how Israel doesn’t care about being perceived as Islamophobic.

Another aspect brings us to that tweet [by Yishai Fleisher]: they bond over the idea of what a nation-state should be, and over their strong feeling that nationalism is a good thing, and multiculturalism a bad thing. That’s why American conservatives, including CPAC, like them as well. This is the common language they understand: nations should have their own states; the state and the nation are one; there should be one state religion (and they don’t care that it’s Judaism in Israel); and enemies of this view of nationalism need to be eliminated — the “globalists,” the cosmopolitans, the multinationals, the multiculturals, the diaspora, the gays, the feminists.

There’s also something to be said about how all this is undergirded by a certain form of antisemitism. I think we can bluntly say that leaders of Hungary or Poland are perfectly fine with Israel, because then Jews can just go over there, and not bother them in Budapest or in Warsaw, so they don’t have to deal with integrating whatever’s left of the Jewish communities in their countries.

I’d also throw in that this admiration on the Israeli side is partly fed by the determination not to be “the Jew” that is the subject of antisemitism. It’s a way of assimilating into Western masculinity.

Yes. I don’t work deeply on this history, but it’s partly also [down to] the different construction of what an Israeli Jew is versus what a diaspora Jew is: someone who’s uber-masculine and a fighter, versus someone who’s weak, and pathetic, and who’s “messing us up” and bringing all these immigrants. That seems to be a theme, especially among the American antisemitic far right, like the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter — that Jews are undermining our national body.

Right. They’re the ones who still transgress borders, while Israeli Jews know what borders are and respect them.

Yes, exactly.
 
More ineffectual than the American left?
 
More ineffectual than the American left?

I mean, yeah, the state of politics in Israel right now is a bit like if David Duke won a US Presidential election. The Israeli left barely even exists, which I realize could also apply to the US left, but things are worse in Israel.
 
I mean, yeah, the state of politics in Israel right now is a bit like if David Duke won a US Presidential election. The Israeli left barely even exists, which I realize could also apply to the US left, but things are worse in Israel.
More like Nixon with a spine and a cabinet of David Dukes.
 
in principle? no. in practice of founding an organization that pays money to specific ngos that engage in terror? yes.
Funding terror organizations would obviously be something to be concerned about. But I am a little skeptical about that. I tried searching for Soros and terror, but could only find accusations of "economical terror" through the first pages of Google. Supposing Google could censor out something about him out of fears of "antisemitism" I tried Yandex, a Russian search engine. I found a website called "American Free Press" which is actually American, and a newspaper, but not a very reputable source to put it mildly. The American Press has this to say about Soros and terrorism:

According to Madsen, Soros began profitseeking infiltration efforts into Eastern Europe in 1984 through the Soros Foundation Budapest. After exploiting the “crash of 1987” for massive monetary gains, he started funneling what the CIA called “kosher cash” into anti-communist opposition groups to destabilize the government of then-Czechoslovakia. Soros financially supported Charter 77 and the likes of future Czech leader Vaclav Havel. But a declassified, redacted CIA report raises the question of whether anti-communist terror bombings at the time may also have been funded or even authorized by Soros.

While this could be true, it also seems like something that carries a high chance of not being true. I wouldn't call him a terrorist based on that, because the original CIA source is only speculating on Soros funding or authorizing this act of terrorism. The article continues listing up a number of instances where Soros have been funding political organizations in other countries, which isn't without ethically problematic aspects, but a far cry from terrorism. The American Free Press also seems to be a very questionable source of information but I assume you have better sources for the same claim.
soros is an odd case too, because he funds some stuff that goes against israel. which side of that is "anti-semetic" depends on who you ask, but it's a good sign that hatred on him is more political than based on his religious beliefs or ethnic background. i'm sure you can find some people out there who hate soros because he's jewish, but i suspect vast majority hate him either for his own political beliefs or for where his money is going. neither of these have much, if anything, to do with the jewish faith.
Most of the hate against him seems to be based on partisan political convictions and a tendency to believe in simplistic conspiracy theories, not antisemitism. And more legitimate criticism of his influence. But as you say there is bound to be a lot of antisemitic hate against him out there as well, because a powerful jew who is being portrayed as someone who is pulling strings in many different countries, is a dream opponent for any antisemite who belives in the "jews control most things" narrative.

But this is kind of a delicate subject. It would be easy for someone in bad faith to frame even me here for holding antisemitic viewpoints by taking my words out of their context. Or criticizing me for referencing The American Free Press, which seems to be a newspaper linked with or comprised of actual antisemites. It is probably a good idea to have a second look at any comments you make about him, since it easily can be used against you by people who aren't interested in interpreting you in a generous way. This aspect of it is perhaps a partly a reason why you used such a strong word as hate, instead of dislike in the first place. Since if this is a common occurrence it could understandably lead to some frustration.

better is the key word. you have to believe the money is going into organizations that make the world better, or at least not worse. if you believe the money is going into harmful things, then in the context of that belief disliking the person funding it is reasonable.

i also dislike bill gates, though in his particular case it's more about how he's conducted business more directly.
I can understand disliking someone who is pooling his money into making the world worse (but actually believing he is making it better) if he is successful about it. I don't know if he is, but Soros detractors often claims that he is very successful. But hate is a much stronger expression than dislike. Now if one also perceives the person who is doing this, or the people defending him to be hypocritical, then that is a good recipe for a strong dislike. And if that is also combined with not being able to express this without being called slur words, and a belief that this mans wrongdoings are highly undercommunicated I can understand where you are coming from.

Still, I think it is futile to hate people for using their influence to further their own beliefs. Especially when it is not affecting you personally. It is much the same as using energy on hating Trump for being Trump. With the exception that a lot of the things people hate Trump for are things that he has actually said and done (And then reinterpreted through their own political lenses.) While in the case of Soros the information network of questionable websites, partisan writers and commenters that are spreading around real information, rumors, half-truths, and regurgitated versions of those, are much more prone to making mistakes and spread false information. Don't misunderstand me, a lot of the same problems exist with partisan journalists and commenters in mainstream and leftist media. But they doesn't seem to be anywhere as bad at spreading actual false information as right-leaning and "antiglobalist" news media are.
 
This is a massive tell lol
No, not at all. I know that some Christians, at least in America and probably some other places are Christians that actually hates Jews, but supports Israel. But the chance that a significant amount of the kind of people I'm thinking about belongs to that category seems small. At least half of them do not seem to identify as Christian and some of them strongly dislikes Christianity to the point that they often argue with the Christians among them. Being for or against Christianity is another subject that divides these people.

Like in the Life of Brian sketch referenced here who is parodying radical leftist groups, the fringe right groups also divide themselves over a lot of petty squabbles, at least in my country. And since I am the Roman in this case, it gives me great pleasure.
 
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